Constantinople

[yavuzovic]

In classic variant, we play at 1901 year. And "Constantinople" name was used in 1453 lastly. The variants which are about before this date should be named "Constantinople" or "Byzantium" (Constantinople is Byzantium's capital city. Byzantium is the country.) like Ancient Mediterranean. However in 1901, Constantinople had been conquested and named "Istanbul" - like in Modern variant. I suggest to change it inspired by history. And also most of vDip variants use this name too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople
As you see also here, Constantinople fell in 1453 and if we want to use historical names, we should call it Istanbul.

[2ndWhiteLine]

I guess people just liked it better that way.

[yavuzovic]

I ask because I wonder why. It's like denying history.

[PRINCE WILLIAM]

Until its fall the empire was called and considered Roman Empire (that's why the western empire when was remade by Charlemagne was called Holly Roman Empire to be different). Byzantium is a term that was perceived by historians to describe the empire.
Also in the centuries that the city was capital of the Ottoman Empire the name Constantinople was still in use, maps of even 18th century use it. After Turkey emerged as a state from the ashes of the Ottoman Empire and Ankara was named capital the name was more consolidated.

[yavuzovic]

Ottoman's capital is Constantinople? Also Wikipedia says that too. Probably a difference between our and your sources but until now I knew it "Istanbul". Even we say Conquest of Istanbul. Weird, as a Turkish and as a reader of some magazines which were published at Ottomans time, I always heard it "Istanbul" even when we're talking about Ottan Empire. Weird, I learned this now.

[Roadhog]

Let's vote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8KUUvwA6ns
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcI5rNR5TGM

[yavuzovic]

https://youtu.be/Wcze7EGorOk
^
Better than both!

[JECE]

yavuzovic:
The name was changed by Atatürk's government. You can read more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Istanbul

Also keep in mind that the "Classic" map is an established board game with decades of history behind it. It's hardly comparable to the "Modern" variant.

[yavuzovic]

I see, but has been used since 10th century. I read that official name was changed in 1930 by Ataturk's government but it also says Istanbul name was common among the people.
I learn that now.

[ND]

Nah I still call it Constantinople.

[yavuzovic]

And if it's official name was Constantinople, it's better to call it with it's official name.
^It's also an answer for ND.

[dargorygel]

I can't stand on opals.

[ND]

Some historians think that the name 'Istanbul' began during the late Roman (Byzantine) Empire period as it referred to 'in the city' thus even that name for Constantinople/Byzantium has it's roots in the Greek-Roman world.

[ghug]

Guys, it's really nobody's business but the Turks'.

[yavuzovic]

Some historians think that the name 'Istanbul' began during the late Roman (Byzantine) Empire period as it referred to 'in the city' thus even that name for Constantinople/Byzantium has it's roots in the Greek-Roman world.

True, Istanbul municipality's official webpage says it was sometimes called Istanbul before it's name was changed.

[Octavious]

Guys, it's really nobody's business but the Turks'.

Why? It's every nation's business what name they chose to call foreign places. Or are you one of those people who refuse to speak to the French if they call London Londres?

[PRINCE WILLIAM]

At the time of the Empire, they were referring to Constantinople just as The City, being their capital and one of the largest and glorious cities of the world.
In Greek, this is εις την Πόλιν (it was pronounced is tin polin). As a sound, the n and the p can be near b in Greek so in years it was altered to Istanbul.

[yavuzovic]

Guys, it's really nobody's business but the Turks'.

Why? It's every nation's business what name they chose to call foreign places. Or are you one of those people who refuse to speak to the French if they call London Londres?

It's a song lyric
And London is Londra in Turkish

At the time of the Empire, they were referring to Constantinople just as The City, being their capital and one of the largest and glorious cities of the world.
In Greek, this is εις την Πόλιν (it was pronounced is tin polin). As a sound, the n and the p can be near b in Greek so in years it was altered to Istanbul.

Constantinople was a very very old city and it was here even before Turks came here. So p->b change's reason is probably Arabic. There's no P sound in Arabic so they write things with "ب" (b). Given this word was used since tenth century, it's reason is probably this.

[Crippled Kermit]

Does this really matter that much?

[Enriador]

Constantinople should remain Constantinople, if only because it's how it's called in the official Diplomacy rulebook. However:

1) The Ottoman Empire did refer to the capital as "Kostantiniyye" even in official documents.

2) That's how foreign dignataries called the city - and isn't Diplomacy a game of seven diplomats?

>western empire when was remade by Charlemagne was called Holly Roman Empire to be different<

What? Charlemagne's empire was never called "Holy Roman Empire". Not even Otto I, the actual founder of the "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation" called his empire as such.