MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

Yes, but phrasing indicated you know it is a role in this game.

Well he'd know it's in the game if his story is true lol. But I think he just meant it's a possibility.

Macca first said the miller exists to then saying it was a possibility.

Yeah, I think they meant it as "millers are a thing".

They're still scum, it's just not a slip.

[BobMcBob]

@celaph reveal please

[BunnyGo]

Massclaims have screwed me over as Town and Scum. I avoided it, and no-one asked.

I absolutely asked.

You didn't ask me in particular. Others weren't doing it, no-one wanted my result.

I applaud the attempt. I do. And it sucks being in this position.

But the only hope to getting another night is to convince more of us that you have better intel than celaph to share.

Who did mafia target last night?

[e.m.c^42]

D:

It's certainly a good thing, you directly ascended to Flum's nirvana without going through the grueling trials of effort that most do.

Flum is lowkey a genius* though.

*My phone autocorrected to "hernia", which also works.

Preach.

[Bonatogether]

It's certainly a good thing, you directly ascended to Flum's nirvana without going through the grueling trials of effort that most do.

I'm not sure what that means but ok?

Most players start out noob, then improve until they reach a point of inconsolable wifom hell, which they eventually leave by not giving two shits anymore and ego-posting their own thoughts as truth - which is the optimal level of mafia play. You've skipped steps to directly reach the last one from previous game to this game.

Interesting.

[kgray]

So,

The two roles I were offered were VT and Strongman.

Those who know me know I'm a very gullible person, I very easily believe what others say. Bunny spent all of the pre-game thread (at least from my perspective) talking about why the mafia team was garbage and shouldn't be picked. As such, I took VT.

I therefore discarded Strongman, which is why the mafia kill keeps getting blocked, they don't have one.


Before I'm executed, I would like to remind the jury of two things.

1. Celaph is an alien, you're going to trust him? Even if I flip scum, this is not a good solution. He's going to keep RBing you as he "scans".

2. The miller exists.

Thank you for listening.

Maybe I'm just using conf. bias here, but the way you wrote this makes it sound like you believe my scan was accurate. You say "Even if [you] flip scum, this is not a good solution." If you're about to flip town, why do you care whether or not the solution is good? You know I die tomorrow for being wrong. The only reason you care and it's on your mind is because you know you will flip scum and are looking ahead trying to discredit my future pushes against your teammates.

Additionally, I do not believe that the first thing a VT thinks when conf!scum claim to have a guilty on them is that they're the miller. They think that the conf!scum is making some play to get them wrongly killed.

You don't believe in your own towniness here.

Oh, so here's where normal, focused, questioning celaph is.

It's funny that you're the prober but you got scumread D1 for not probing at all haha

[Donny Dude]

Well he'd know it's in the game if his story is true lol. But I think he just meant it's a possibility.

Macca first said the miller exists to then saying it was a possibility.

Yeah, I think they meant it as "millers are a thing".

They're still scum, it's just not a slip.

Yeah, k, and it is one card.

[BunnyGo]

It's certainly a good thing, you directly ascended to Flum's nirvana without going through the grueling trials of effort that most do.

I'm not sure what that means but ok?

Most players start out noob, then improve until they reach a point of inconsolable wifom hell, which they eventually leave by not giving two shits anymore and ego-posting their own thoughts as truth - which is the optimal level of mafia play. You've skipped steps to directly reach the last one from previous game to this game.

Flum's Nirvana is the next step past that: knowing that your opinions are shit, and still having fun.

[ghug]

Massclaims have screwed me over as Town and Scum. I avoided it, and no-one asked.

I absolutely asked.

You didn't ask me in particular. Others weren't doing it, no-one wanted my result.

I asked everyone repeatedly. We got numerous answers. Others (like Bunny) were also asking.

[brainbomb]

##end

[kgray]

lol kgray taking on a pet alien

Shhhh it's reverse buddying!

[BunnyGo]

So,

The two roles I were offered were VT and Strongman.

Those who know me know I'm a very gullible person, I very easily believe what others say. Bunny spent all of the pre-game thread (at least from my perspective) talking about why the mafia team was garbage and shouldn't be picked. As such, I took VT.

I therefore discarded Strongman, which is why the mafia kill keeps getting blocked, they don't have one.


Before I'm executed, I would like to remind the jury of two things.

1. Celaph is an alien, you're going to trust him? Even if I flip scum, this is not a good solution. He's going to keep RBing you as he "scans".

2. The miller exists.

Thank you for listening.

Maybe I'm just using conf. bias here, but the way you wrote this makes it sound like you believe my scan was accurate. You say "Even if [you] flip scum, this is not a good solution." If you're about to flip town, why do you care whether or not the solution is good? You know I die tomorrow for being wrong. The only reason you care and it's on your mind is because you know you will flip scum and are looking ahead trying to discredit my future pushes against your teammates.

Additionally, I do not believe that the first thing a VT thinks when conf!scum claim to have a guilty on them is that they're the miller. They think that the conf!scum is making some play to get them wrongly killed.

You don't believe in your own towniness here.

Oh, so here's where normal, focused, questioning celaph is.

It's funny that you're the prober but you got scumread D1 for not probing at all haha

^Yes! Here is celaph!

[celaph]

@celaph: why do you think you survive the night? I doubt any of our doctors try to save you, and you being dead means town is more likely to miskill, which mafia needs to win.

Your logic here makes no sense. Mafia could either kill someone they think is town and then use me to avoid the DK or they could kill me and then hope to avoid the DK normally. One of those leads to both more dead townies on average and less dead mafia on average.

[e.m.c^42]

I don't. I'm saying that if someone's read me "guilty" I could be the miller.

The way that this is framed as hypothetical makes me think it is slip lmao.

##vote Macca

Anyway I am probably sticking with this, unless there's convincing explanation offered.

[Donny Dude]

It's certainly a good thing, you directly ascended to Flum's nirvana without going through the grueling trials of effort that most do.

I'm not sure what that means but ok?

Most players start out noob, then improve until they reach a point of inconsolable wifom hell, which they eventually leave by not giving two shits anymore and ego-posting their own thoughts as truth - which is the optimal level of mafia play. You've skipped steps to directly reach the last one from previous game to this game.

Which point am I at on this scale?

[brainbomb]

So there I was balls deep in these italian guys

[e.m.c^42]

Flum's Nirvana is the next step past that: knowing that your opinions are shit, and still having fun.

Nah he's actually pretty good so he's right. You're describing someone like me here lol

[celaph]

Celaph, reveal Ezio's scan and we won't flip you today.

How about no.

[kgray]

I don't. I'm saying that if someone's read me "guilty" I could be the miller.

The way that this is framed as hypothetical makes me think it is slip lmao.

##vote Macca

Anyway I am probably sticking with this, unless there's convincing explanation offered.

Agree with emc, both on the vote and the hypothetical being a non-towny way to express that opinion.

[celaph]

Maybe I'm just using conf. bias here, but the way you wrote this makes it sound like you believe my scan was accurate. You say "Even if [you] flip scum, this is not a good solution." If you're about to flip town, why do you care whether or not the solution is good? You know I die tomorrow for being wrong. The only reason you care and it's on your mind is because you know you will flip scum and are looking ahead trying to discredit my future pushes against your teammates.

Additionally, I do not believe that the first thing a VT thinks when conf!scum claim to have a guilty on them is that they're the miller. They think that the conf!scum is making some play to get them wrongly killed.

You don't believe in your own towniness here.

Oh, so here's where normal, focused, questioning celaph is.

It's funny that you're the prober but you got scumread D1 for not probing at all haha

^Yes! Here is celaph!

Just let me scum hunt in peace lmao.