MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

HR was not happy with that kill choice or with using the kill N1. but he never ever imagined that it would be the only death. What was wild about it was that it was not only a shitty kill that accomplished nothing, it also wasted their only kill of the game

I also think that if HR, Donny and bona are the alien team, and HR wasn't happy with using their kill N1 or with their target, he'd have vetoed it. There's no way he'd have let the two of them dictate their actions like that if he didn't agree.

[brainbomb]

Re: Brain's bozo NK and Donny/bona aliens theory

I think the main assumption you make which I question is why the aliens would have used their kill N1. We also know that there has to be at least one maf or one SK (or town vig isn't claiming, but they really should if they shot bozo or damo). I think it's more likely mafia/SK killed bozo than that the aliens did a hail Mary for the SK N1.

I also don't think scum usually group themselves together by having similar reactions to things? So when you say that Donny and bona we surprised by bozo's death the same as HR, that actually makes me think they're less likely to be HR's teammates. They've both been interacting with people in a similar way, agreeing with people's points (see people scumreading them for following the general trend of the thread). I think this is just one of those times. And in this setup, I think most people were expecting multiple people dying. The lack of NK's we've had is really surprising.

so if donny bona and bunny win the game for aliens Youll be telling me I was brilliant and that I deserve a congressional medal of freedom

[Bonatogether]

Re: Brain's bozo NK and Donny/bona aliens theory

I think the main assumption you make which I question is why the aliens would have used their kill N1. We also know that there has to be at least one maf or one SK (or town vig isn't claiming, but they really should if they shot bozo or damo). I think it's more likely mafia/SK killed bozo than that the aliens did a hail Mary for the SK N1.

I also don't think scum usually group themselves together by having similar reactions to things? So when you say that Donny and bona we surprised by bozo's death the same as HR, that actually makes me think they're less likely to be HR's teammates. They've both been interacting with people in a similar way, agreeing with people's points (see people scumreading them for following the general trend of the thread). I think this is just one of those times. And in this setup, I think most people were expecting multiple people dying. The lack of NK's we've had is really surprising.

so if donny bona and bunny win the game for aliens Youll be telling me I was brilliant and that I deserve a congressional medal of freedom

If i'm not alien, can I have a cookie?

[brainbomb]

can everyone state who they plan to go after next once celaph is dead?

[kgray]

Eh guesswork. Scum frequently like to make a post right before they die specifically naming a single other player.
They have all the levels, and I don't care to figure out which level celaph was playing at.
Level 1: heehee I'm gonna name a town and the rest of town will daykill them thinking I'm naming a town.
Level 2: heehee. I'm gonna name a scum partner and the rest of town will think I'm naming a town trying to get them daykilled, so this is gonna townclear my scum buddy.
level 3: etc.

You seem to be suggesting that I named kgray to create chaos and possibly try to get someone miskilled. If that's the case, then why am I naming the most easily pocketed person in the game? Unless you think that paranoia around scum kgray is strong enough to get her killed over such a thing, I think I create more chaos by naming literally anyone else.

Fixed this for you, celaph

[kgray]

Side note: is SoN/SoD a thing for start of night/day?

I've never seen that but we should make it a thing. There've been a few times I've wanted to say that.

[kgray]

I get the sense there is no point beating around the bush. I hard claim town one-shot governor.

As to why I did not claim earlier. D1 I tried to last minute self-target learning that I couldn't with only enough time for what I did. I'm frankly still surprised that I survived that day. D2 I just honestly didn't think I was going to be DK'd with HR doing whatever he was doing.

But HR was doing his nonsense with at least 10 minutes left in the day (if I remember correctly) and people weren't listening to me yelling for his death. I think it was fairly obvious that he wasn't going to get killed that day, especially with people like ghug (and Bunny?) vocally shutting it down. It's odd to me that you didn't feel like you were in danger of being the kill.

[jasnah]

can everyone state who they plan to go after next once celaph is dead?

Probably Maniac, Bunnygo, or Ezio, depending on things

[brainbomb]

I think HR would not want to use alien kill right away, but on a team with a bunch of people with opinions he would cave to their wisdom or lack thereof. When he says wild kill, I interpreted it to mean he thought it was wild.

I dont know how to explain one death n1 but let me just say that missing orders in mafia happens every single game. A PR or scum can easily fail to decide in time and we think its not true but at least one player fails to act in nearly every game.

[kgray]

I have not noticed a Roleblock claim

The lack of such a claim would indicate one of the following:

either Macca is alien

or

Alien probe targeted one of the very few Mafia who are not claiming in order to get Macca daykilled.

I suspect the former

Then who did aliens probe N2?

[kgray]

I think HR would not want to use alien kill right away, but on a team with a bunch of people with opinions he would cave to their wisdom or lack thereof. When he says wild kill, I interpreted it to mean he thought it was wild.

I dont know how to explain one death n1 but let me just say that missing orders in mafia happens every single game. A PR or scum can easily fail to decide in time and we think its not true but at least one player fails to act in nearly every game.

Are we talking about the same HR...? Hellenic Riot? You think he'd cave to what his teammates wanted if he thought it was a bad idea? And you think Donny and bona are going to stand up to him on that, presumably outvoting him?

[kgray]

I get the sense there is no point beating around the bush. I hard claim town one-shot governor.

As to why I did not claim earlier. D1 I tried to last minute self-target learning that I couldn't with only enough time for what I did. I'm frankly still surprised that I survived that day. D2 I just honestly didn't think I was going to be DK'd with HR doing whatever he was doing.

This is hard to believe. Having to choose a discard you would carefully read the 2 roles. How would you not know you couldn't self target.

Celaph is as guilty as sin.

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Didn't he claim to discard goon? I don't know, seems plausible he just wanted town PR over goon and wouldn't had to have read it that closely...

[kgray]

So then why were you making such a substantial push on macca as a counterwagon? Did you not want to offer up a teammate?

Yes, I said that I would defend them until I die.

They have both been acting really differently than I would expect from either of them. I prefer the latter to the fomer, but they're more meh wagons. Vecna is only here because of his inactivity and Maniac is yoyoing in my reads list between normal Maniac scummyness and weirdly insight Maniac that I suspect knows too much.

Where do you think Maniac implies that he knows too much?

[brainbomb]

I think HR would not want to use alien kill right away, but on a team with a bunch of people with opinions he would cave to their wisdom or lack thereof. When he says wild kill, I interpreted it to mean he thought it was wild.

I dont know how to explain one death n1 but let me just say that missing orders in mafia happens every single game. A PR or scum can easily fail to decide in time and we think its not true but at least one player fails to act in nearly every game.

Are we talking about the same HR...? Hellenic Riot? You think he'd cave to what his teammates wanted if he thought it was a bad idea? And you think Donny and bona are going to stand up to him on that, presumably outvoting him?

I can dig up old QTs if youd like but ive seen him disagree with scum partners on who to kill but he never domineered the kills. He was generally a team player not a control freak over what actions to take. which maybe was why he lost alot as scum?

[brainbomb]

HR is not nearly as dominating as scum as he is as town.

[damo666]

Good to hear that my theory doesn't have any gaping holes. I think that should be used as some kind of default theory, and I believe it is the most likely. That doesn't mean that other people can't/shouldn't continue to theorycraft, but I think it requires the least logical leaps and assumptions to pull off. It has the downside of being rather unexciting and not giving much interesting in the way of scum possibilities, but I think that's acceptable.

Also I know you're not ghug damo, why do you feel the need to clarify?

Your post 6667

[brainbomb]

Here

https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/4dcUgr9BJSLwP

HR died early but scroll down to see how much more open he is to opinions as a scum partner

[kgray]

Re: Brain's bozo NK and Donny/bona aliens theory

I think the main assumption you make which I question is why the aliens would have used their kill N1. We also know that there has to be at least one maf or one SK (or town vig isn't claiming, but they really should if they shot bozo or damo). I think it's more likely mafia/SK killed bozo than that the aliens did a hail Mary for the SK N1.

I also don't think scum usually group themselves together by having similar reactions to things? So when you say that Donny and bona we surprised by bozo's death the same as HR, that actually makes me think they're less likely to be HR's teammates. They've both been interacting with people in a similar way, agreeing with people's points (see people scumreading them for following the general trend of the thread). I think this is just one of those times. And in this setup, I think most people were expecting multiple people dying. The lack of NK's we've had is really surprising.

so if donny bona and bunny win the game for aliens Youll be telling me I was brilliant and that I deserve a congressional medal of freedom

I promise I will say those exact words to you if that happens

[kgray]

can everyone state who they plan to go after next once celaph is dead?

Vecna?

[kgray]

can everyone state who they plan to go after next once celaph is dead?

Probably Maniac, Bunnygo, or Ezio, depending on things

Also good picks.