MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

glad I could get my case done in time for no one to read it

I read it and concluded it was wrong.

[dargorygel]

Mulder picked up his phone. Something was wrong with the connection this morning.

Mulder scowled, his face darkening like the basement just after the storm broke the electricity.

Without the wi-fi connection, how could he keep track of his conclusions and questions? His 'notes' feature seemed erratic. First, creating strange empty pages. Then disappearing entirely.

He put the phone away.

Mulder would need strong coffee to give his brain the strength needed to remember things old school...

VOTE COUNT 4.3

Celaph (10) - Ezio, Damo666(END), Bonatogether, DemonRHK, Rdrivera, BunnyGo, Maniac, BobMcBob, Vecna, Brainbomb (END)
Vecna (2) - Kgray, Ghug
Maniac (1) - Jasnah

Endvotes: Damo666, brain

Celaph has the most daykill votes.

Trying to do math with my analog clock... Still Much Time Left.

[Bonatogether]

If I'm stunned, why don't I revert to the semi-lurking I did the last two games?

Werent you town in those games? Pointing out that you didnt change behavior here would imply a meta shift.

Are you suggesting you are trying a new meta as vt?

Yeah I don't get what Bona is trying to say here. It seems irrelevant, or not good for him.

If I'm scum, why don't I go back to the stuff that I did the last two games that got me to the endgame? Why do I amp up the amount of stuff I'm posting?

[Maniac]

glad I could get my case done in time for no one to read it

Is this your case on Donny & Bona?

I don’t think much of it. It centres on the notion we have no scum and aliens killed Bozo. Don’t forget we had a doc-save on
N2 so we must have another killer apart from the alien factional kill. In any event surely the value of the alien NK increase as time goes by? I can’t see why they would pick off someone like bozo N1. If they get to end game that NK could be a game winner.

[Vecna]

glad I could get my case done in time for no one to read it

can you point me to your case so I can also not read it?

[Vecna]

##end

[brainbomb]

The thing is my case doesnt center on that at all. you definetely didnt read it if thats your takeaway.
It looked at larger motive for the bozo kill
it covers donny and bona reactions to the bozo flip
it covers HR reaction and disdain for bozo flip
and then covers HR backpedaling and asserting that mafia killed bozo

go reread it

[brainbomb]

glad I could get my case done in time for no one to read it

can you point me to your case so I can also not read it?

sure
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[brainbomb]

rereading bozo N1

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... zotheclown

key moments
•bozo thinks celaph is likely town for bot trying to out PR
•thinks alien team is 5 or 6
•

It is possible celaph is SK or scum with no teammates or only 1 teammate, where there would be no value in forcing a CC.

Bozo D1
•mostly scumreads rivera which continues N1


Pre D2 reads
•Hamilton: Null: Bozo, Celaph, Demon, ghug, macca, maniac, rdr, vecna, bona

•ghug: Townreads on Bob, brain, bona. kgray seems good, but I think she's gonna be capable of fooling me in a setup like this.
(only b not mentioned is bozo)

•HR: bozotheclown - Very low presence. Did essentially nothing, including no weirdness, D1... And N1 he seems to have gone back & forth over whether celaph claiming VT is townie or not. Somewhat less slight scum.

•Bona: Bozo voted rdr at T-9:20, and then Demon, brain, and kgray voted for him at T-1:30. I voted for rd right afterwards for "competitive wagons", but then switched to celaph. Jasnah voted rd since she prefered the wagon over the lfischl wagon. lfischl voted for survival, again. Probably town-driven with a scum or two hopping on to blend in - kgray, or, more likely, jasnah are the two I'd guess.



Reactions to bozo death:
•Donny: rip bozo

•damo666: So no Mafia GF in the game

•ghug: Could be worse. RIP bozo
I was roleblocked.

•Bonatogether: So probably no sk?

•Maniac: Rip bozo.

•brainbomb: I was expecting three deaths, and losses galore of good players, mass chaos and decimation.

•Bonatogether:↑DemonRHK: "rip bozo. Only 1 death kinda shocks me."
Mafia will always try to kill
sk (if they're around) will always try to kill
Aliens have 1 factional kill
Vig (if they're around) has 1 shot

It seems logical that there's not an sk, then, and aliens and vig didn't have any good enough ideas of who to kill.

•Donny Dude:↑Bonatogether: "So probably no sk?"
Yeah, probably.

•e.m.c^42: I will miss list updates. Farewell, bozo and self-updating tracker.


•Hellenic Riot: That's a wild kill.


Notes and thoughts:
Why was bozo killed? It would appear that the aliens performed this kill based on HRs disdain for his own team hunting the sk. Aliens wanted to catch sk N1.

So why was there one kill? bozo thought aliens had 5 or 6 members. in the 5 scenario there was an sk or solo maf. I believe the Aliens hoped to catch sk n1 for some reason.

Bozo was not killed by rivera and was mostly just sharply on point about the alien team size.

Bozo was definetely killed by someone other than HR who feared bozo being too organized. It is possible damo was shot by vig or was doc saved by a scum doc or hes a BP or a myriad of things but suffice it to say the odds look heavily stacked that n1 kill was aliens hail mary

[brainbomb]

After reacting to bozos death calling it wild, HR distances his team from involvement and aims to explain that only one nk means the sk is holstering. HR is scared of the notion that there was one kill because it means a very long game for aliens to trudge.

Hellenic Riot
Day-2 47:35
page 129 / orig
↑Bonatogether: "Mafia will always try to kill
sk (if they're around) will always try to kill
Aliens have 1 factional kill
Vig (if they'..."

If I were an SK, I wouldn't be killing at this stage - I'd rather lull people into thinking there isn't an SK. I'd be less likely to hold my shot as Vig because you don't want to die without having used it. There's also the possibility that there was more than one kill last night but there was a save, or (lol) multiple factions shot bozo. Concluding there's no SK based just off this one night is a dicey proposition

HR also is scared that if people think there isnt an sk the town will not have to do variable hunting. Once you add more chaotic elements scummy becomes gray. Not kgray, the color gray.

HR has to now clarify where the kill came from:

Hellenic Riot
Day-2 47:33
page 129 / orig
↑Donny Dude: "Why do you find it wild hr?"

Someone who essentially nobody was townreading and wasn't the person screaming about being a strong PR is a strange choice for a (mafia)

It is difficult here to say with certainty that mafia killed bozo but it looks like HR wants to make that argument.

Donny and Bona seem very engaged in this topic from EON 1 to now:

Donny Dude
Day-2 47:31
page 129 / orig
↑Hellenic Riot: "Someone who essentially nobody was townreading and wasn't the person screaming about being a strong PR is a strange choi..."

That is a good point

Bonatogether
Day-2 47:31
page 129 / orig
↑brainbomb: "there is a guaranteed mafia team in this with a factional kill right?"

Not guaranteed, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't

It would appear donny and bona were aliens with HR, who were flabbergasted there wasnt any additional death

[Bonatogether]

Werent you town in those games? Pointing out that you didnt change behavior here would imply a meta shift.

Are you suggesting you are trying a new meta as vt?

Yeah I don't get what Bona is trying to say here. It seems irrelevant, or not good for him.

If I'm scum, why don't I go back to the stuff that I did the last two games that got me to the endgame? Why do I amp up the amount of stuff I'm posting?

@brain

[brainbomb]

I dont know you well enough to know
I certainly dont know your scum meta well enough to know

[brainbomb]

can you talk about donny; bona?

I get it that you dont like being scumread but can you talk about why donny looks fine in those instances

[Hamilton Brian]

I make my own bread.

Interesting.

Would I do well to start with regular bread or a sourdough starter. I want to graduate to breads, I'm just working with desserts so far in my lockdown quest to be able to bake.

Flatbreads are easy, fast, "rustic", and satisfying. Paul Hollywood has great technique and doesn't make it "mystical". It's bread.

If you have a scale, weights are much easier. If you don't use google to convert.
500 g bread flour
11 g salt
13 g yeast
320-330 g water
olives
cilantro
onion
cumin
(pack the filling)

This is my go to "oh shit, what's for dinner in 2 hours while also needing to clean?"

His recipe on Bake Off for ciabatta just is easy (if you have netflix, its there under the masterclass episodes).

I agree with ghug though. I've only once made a bread that was inedible. Otherwise, it's never perfect, I find making it beautiful difficult to do, but I get to slowly tweak and make it my own. And ghug's response reminded me I had crackers in the oven and no timer. Thanks ghug!

Seven pages behind but this speaks to my heart. I've been baking bread in these stupid tiny pans. I get two tiny loaves instead of a longer store loaf. Anyway, I was buying local bread the other day...you know, the wide, round loaf. And I think, "WTF can't I just throw the dough on a baking sheet and let it come out how it comes out." So I am going to try that this weekend.

Often I will use spent grains from my beer-making in the doughs and for dog treats.

[Bonatogether]

Yeah, probably.

Or SK and Maf both targetted Bozo.

Or One faction was RBd

K, but Occam razor then?

same page as your other quotes from Donny and I

I'm not sure that your point about Donny is wrong, but it does seem, from my skim of it again, that he was not in possession of additional information

[BobMcBob]

glad I could get my case done in time for no one to read it

I read it. I posed a few questions about the rather massive leaps in it. Then I dismissed it and your conclusion until further notice and came up with my better theory.

[brainbomb]

are we seriously doing bread recipe ideas in here now?

[brainbomb]

im over here bustin my ass to find quotes and string together an idea of what kills came from where and I cant even get a dialogue about it but we can talk about yeast and proper baking theory

[Bonatogether]

im over here bustin my ass to find quotes and string together an idea of what kills came from where and I cant even get a dialogue about it but we can talk about yeast and proper baking theory

Well you shot down my point by saying "i dont know your scum meta, so eh".

[brainbomb]

im over here bustin my ass to find quotes and string together an idea of what kills came from where and I cant even get a dialogue about it but we can talk about yeast and proper baking theory

Well you shot down my point by saying "i dont know your scum meta, so eh".

I validated your point by not knowing