MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BobMcBob]

I make my own bread.

Interesting.

Would I do well to start with regular bread or a sourdough starter. I want to graduate to breads, I'm just working with desserts so far in my lockdown quest to be able to bake.

Regular homemade bread is really nice. I'm not sure about making sourdough, although I do love a good sourdough. Wouldn't mind trying it at some point.

[BobMcBob]

See? Conf!scum.

##vote ghug

Silly

Yes

[BobMcBob]

Macca wasn't RBd . They were HRs teammate.

Are you arguing that the ghug N1 RB was from something other than prober? I think it would be really risky for aliens to fake claim RB'd without a prober to RB people for this exact reason.

Probed ghug N1. Held N2.

Unlikely to be fair.

It's absolutely a possibility, but I don't think it's the most likely explanation. And why hold N3? Or what happened instead?

[celaph]

@celaph

You didn’t town read ANYONE enough to prevent a speed wagon D2? Just sat on your power?

Remind me again what you discarded?

I was around EoD2. If there was a speedwagon I didn't like, I would have stopped it. What scenario are you envisioning where I need to pre-save someone randomly? 8 scum simultaneously voting someone random with 5 seconds left.

[celaph]

@celaph

You didn’t town read ANYONE enough to prevent a speed wagon D2? Just sat on your power?

Remind me again what you discarded?

I was around EoD2. If there was a speedwagon I didn't like, I would have stopped it. What scenario are you envisioning where I need to pre-save someone randomly? 8 scum simultaneously voting someone random with 5 seconds left.

Also, discarded mafia goon.

[BobMcBob]

rereading bozo N1

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... zotheclown

key moments
•bozo thinks celaph is likely town for bot trying to out PR
•thinks alien team is 5 or 6
•

It is possible celaph is SK or scum with no teammates or only 1 teammate, where there would be no value in forcing a CC.

Bozo D1
•mostly scumreads rivera which continues N1


Pre D2 reads
•Hamilton: Null: Bozo, Celaph, Demon, ghug, macca, maniac, rdr, vecna, bona

•ghug: Townreads on Bob, brain, bona. kgray seems good, but I think she's gonna be capable of fooling me in a setup like this.
(only b not mentioned is bozo)

•HR: bozotheclown - Very low presence. Did essentially nothing, including no weirdness, D1... And N1 he seems to have gone back & forth over whether celaph claiming VT is townie or not. Somewhat less slight scum.

•Bona: Bozo voted rdr at T-9:20, and then Demon, brain, and kgray voted for him at T-1:30. I voted for rd right afterwards for "competitive wagons", but then switched to celaph. Jasnah voted rd since she prefered the wagon over the lfischl wagon. lfischl voted for survival, again. Probably town-driven with a scum or two hopping on to blend in - kgray, or, more likely, jasnah are the two I'd guess.



Reactions to bozo death:
•Donny: rip bozo

•damo666: So no Mafia GF in the game

•ghug: Could be worse. RIP bozo
I was roleblocked.

•Bonatogether: So probably no sk?

•Maniac: Rip bozo.

•brainbomb: I was expecting three deaths, and losses galore of good players, mass chaos and decimation.

•Bonatogether:↑DemonRHK: "rip bozo. Only 1 death kinda shocks me."
Mafia will always try to kill
sk (if they're around) will always try to kill
Aliens have 1 factional kill
Vig (if they're around) has 1 shot

It seems logical that there's not an sk, then, and aliens and vig didn't have any good enough ideas of who to kill.

•Donny Dude:↑Bonatogether: "So probably no sk?"
Yeah, probably.

•e.m.c^42: I will miss list updates. Farewell, bozo and self-updating tracker.


•Hellenic Riot: That's a wild kill.


Notes and thoughts:
Why was bozo killed? It would appear that the aliens performed this kill based on HRs disdain for his own team hunting the sk. Aliens wanted to catch sk N1.

So why was there one kill? bozo thought aliens had 5 or 6 members. in the 5 scenario there was an sk or solo maf. I believe the Aliens hoped to catch sk n1 for some reason.

Bozo was not killed by rivera and was mostly just sharply on point about the alien team size.

Bozo was definetely killed by someone other than HR who feared bozo being too organized. It is possible damo was shot by vig or was doc saved by a scum doc or hes a BP or a myriad of things but suffice it to say the odds look heavily stacked that n1 kill was aliens hail mary

It seems pretty unlikely to me that aliens would blow out their kill N1. Bozo wasn't a huge threat, and having the kill in late game is really powerful. And how do we explain the fact that there was a docsave claim N2? Vig?

[damo666]

Are you arguing that the ghug N1 RB was from something other than prober? I think it would be really risky for aliens to fake claim RB'd without a prober to RB people for this exact reason.

Probed ghug N1. Held N2.

Unlikely to be fair.

It's absolutely a possibility, but I don't think it's the most likely explanation. And why hold N3? Or what happened instead?

Let's wait and see if there's a RB claim. Pick it up again later if no claim.

[BobMcBob]

I won't quote the other half of brain's theory for anti-clutter reasons (it's right after the previous one) but it really takes tinfoil to a whole new level. I find his case that donny and bona are also aliens based off one minor thing very unlikely. I doubt anybody was gonna listen to it, and honestly doubt bb himself really believes it, but worth questioning regardless.

[BobMcBob]

Probed ghug N1. Held N2.

Unlikely to be fair.

It's absolutely a possibility, but I don't think it's the most likely explanation. And why hold N3? Or what happened instead?

Let's wait and see if there's a RB claim. Pick it up again later if no claim.

That sounds good. I probably will start trying to formulate a theory on the most likely night event sequences after I've caught up. It won't be anything particularly exciting, but hopefully less tinfoily than most too.

[BobMcBob]

It's occurring to me that brain and bozo are very similar players.

I half agree with you. There are a *lot* of differences.

[BobMcBob]

and in the process bona and donny were stunned and hadnt prepped in maf chat for this worst case scenario

If I'm stunned, why don't I revert to the semi-lurking I did the last two games?

Werent you town in those games? Pointing out that you didnt change behavior here would imply a meta shift.

Are you suggesting you are trying a new meta as vt?

Yeah I don't get what Bona is trying to say here. It seems irrelevant, or not good for him.

[BobMcBob]

Okay, caught up. I'll be gone for an hour or two then I'll be back and trying to formulate that theory.

[Vecna]

Ok this might be crazy:
What if there is no mafia?

EVERY EMPEROR NEEDS BARBARIANS TO FIGHT. IF ONLY TO DISTRACT THE LOW RABBLE FROM THEIR EMPTY BELLIES. CEASAR SHALL FIND SOME TO FIGHT, NO DOUBT.

[Vecna]

Mafia Compulsive Hider
Mafia Doctor
Mafia Godfather
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon
Mafia Loud Role Cop
Mafia Lover
Mafia One-shot Governor
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Strongman
Mafia Tracker
Mafia Underdog
Mafia Underdog


If all the discards are to be beleived the only maf roles even left are maf doc, maf governor, maf tracker and maf uunderdogs.

CEASAR THEORIZES THAT ALL THE BARBARIANS ARE ALSO DOGS. BLINDLY SHOOTING ARROWS INTO THE FOREST IS NOT VERY CANINE-BROTHERLY.

[rdrivera2005]

Regarding mass claim I would support a vanilla/non vanilla mass claim.

I hard claim non vanilla lol.

This seems a good play now. But it need to be hardclaims, you lie you die unless you can prove mechanically you are town.

I hardclaim non vanilla.

[Vecna]

I missed that. How's celaph mechanically confirmed?

damo revealed he had a "Vanilla" on cel N1...when the Psycho was still in play, meaning the result was inverted and Cel is NOT vanilla.

If celaph was town PR, he would have no reason to not claim honestly (or a lesser PR) when he was on the block d1. But he didn't claim PR, so he is not PR. It's mechanically confirmed that he's not VT, so therefore he is not town and should be voted =D

##Call GM

Would a roleblock on the alien psychoguy (HR's role) disable its passive ability for that night?

[rdrivera2005]

I get the sense there is no point beating around the bush. I hard claim town one-shot governor.

As to why I did not claim earlier. D1 I tried to last minute self-target learning that I couldn't with only enough time for what I did. I'm frankly still surprised that I survived that day. D2 I just honestly didn't think I was going to be DK'd with HR doing whatever he was doing.

This is hard to believe. Having to choose a discard you would carefully read the 2 roles. How would you not know you couldn't self target.

Celaph is as guilty as sin.

##end

That's really weird. It's on PM you can't target yourself. Are Celaph that lazy at reading?

But O don't think we should end yet

[Vecna]

explain kgray being an alien to me in a weird way

A SPARTAN AND A PHOENICIAN WALK INTO AN ALIEN SLIMECAVE.....

[Jamiet99uk]

damo revealed he had a "Vanilla" on cel N1...when the Psycho was still in play, meaning the result was inverted and Cel is NOT vanilla.

If celaph was town PR, he would have no reason to not claim honestly (or a lesser PR) when he was on the block d1. But he didn't claim PR, so he is not PR. It's mechanically confirmed that he's not VT, so therefore he is not town and should be voted =D

##Call GM

Would a roleblock on the alien psychoguy (HR's role) disable its passive ability for that night?

GM NOTE
No, because it's a passive effect, not an action that the player has to take. The *existence* of the Psychotrooper causes the effect - it isn't an action. A roleblock prevents the target from acting, but not from existing.

[Jamiet99uk]

I have not noticed a Roleblock claim

The lack of such a claim would indicate one of the following:

either Macca is alien

or

Alien probe targeted one of the very few Mafia who are not claiming in order to get Macca daykilled.

I suspect the former

Or:
They roleblocked a VT (or hider???), so they didn't receive a roleblock notification ##Call GM is this how roleblock notifications work?

Or:
The roleblocked person has for whatever reason forgotten/decided not to claim (we haven't had docsave claim yet)

Why do you assume that those are the only two options?

GM NOTE
You are notified of being roleblocked whether you had any actions to be blocked, or not.