MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

HR is sincere here. He is genuinely glad about this because he is Alien faction so discussing scum hunting for him is fun. He has his head fully invested in trying to catch mafia to look like hes hunting

It is very possible HR is not the alien prober, but just knows what the prober is doing. I see no reason to assume otherwise.

Also, the prober not targeting Damo last night was an obvious win for town. I have trouble squaring the circle that aliens wouldn’t target Damo for probing just to try and protect HR.

You stiil don't understand what Damo was claiming or you are forcing it?

I knew everything...including the parrot. SO WHY DIDN'T THE ALIENS PROBE HIM!!!?? He's still super valuable.

[kgray]

If there's a parrot in play, they can help doctor self save while saving you too...

let's get on with it.

##vote hr ##end

Of course there's a parrot in play. That's how I was 100% certain psychotrooper was in play.

I KNOW! I was being cagey...Of course parrot is in play. And of course you found someone else who is not vanilla with your scan.

Hey! I'm cagey...

[Bonatogether]

Bona's thoughts on who is scum, part 3

(This is the tl;dr of part 1)
Alien expected play: matching town meta to the t
mafia expected play: leading town or matching town meta
sk expected play: extremely solvy
town expected play: looking for scum, possibly less invested

Players, ez-v
Ezio
ghug
HB
jasnah
kgray
macca
maniac
rdr
vecna

Ezio - is not very active. Supposedly has a meta of wanting no kills on d1, and leaned really hard into that. Hasn't done much solvy stuff. Alien or mafia

ghug - is active, but unlike last game, doesn't say a lot. Not very solvy, but trying to look like it? sk or mafia (or shitty town)

HB - is decently active. Not very solvey aside from that one time he said he knew Ezio lied about his discard. I feel like mafia would have a more consistent strategy, and they're also not hunting for aliens, so he's not mafia. He's not sk cause he's not making consistent efforts to solve. I could see this as either alien or town, but I lean town a lot more

jasnah - very low poster. Kinda solvey? More than I'd expect from a new player (more than aaro, celaph, or I in m62 anyways). No meta to go off of, so idk. Probably not sk or mafia? I'd be more inclined to guess alien

kgray - very high poster. Very solvey. Not matching town meta a lot, but not diverging a huge amount either. Not alien. I'd rate it town > sk >> mafia

macca - low poster. kinda solvey? apparently matching town meta. not sk. I'd put alien as most likely, but it's kinda a tossup

maniac - lowest poster alive. Hasn't contributed much. I don't remember him being like this, so probably not alien or sk? idfk

rdr - also a very low poster. Isn't dead? That's different. I haven't noticed him a lot. Hasn't pushed many of his own wagons or non-standard wagons. Not town or sk. leaning alien, but I could see it either way

[damo666]

So, does this confirm that aliens have the anal prober as well, or was this just some weird gimmick to try and clear macca as non-alien?

I don't see a way that HR could have called the fact that Macca would have something to report unless:

1) Aliens have probe
2) Macca is alien

In case 1: the only reason to not probe Damo is the aliens tried to kill him. In this case, either we have NO mafia/SK team, or Macca is mafia/SK (or was target of another NK...unlikely)

In case 2: Macca is alien.

Maybe alien probed Macca in a desparate attempt to get HR read as jailer (especially if an alien had discarded jailer).

[brainbomb]

I have to agree with brain here.
My hot take is that hr is scum mates with ghug.
Hr, would you say this lines up with ghug town play more?
Someone who drew scum again like Ghug would be pressed to change meta I would imagine.

I kinda doubt scum!HR's first post is gonna be defending his teammate with this much time left in the phase.

I agree, I did say hot take.
Though hr seems less active than last game.

Maybe donny wouldnt point out something his psychotrooper buddy was doing wrong this early.

[brainbomb]

Is it just me or is anyone else getting confused of who's who in the people with donator stars? I feel like I just see a star and ignore the name and suddenly I've confused HR and rdr.

although incidental this does seem like lumping

[kgray]

Discards:

Bob: Mafia compulsive hider
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Mafia RB
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK: town
Donny: Enabler
emc: town
Ezio: Town Doctor (retracted)
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton: chooses not to answer
HR: Mafia Loud Role Cop
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien Bulletproof Lover
Macca:
Mania​c: Commuter
rdrivera: town
Vecna: VT


For ref

[BunnyGo]

So, does this confirm that aliens have the anal prober as well, or was this just some weird gimmick to try and clear macca as non-alien?

I don't see a way that HR could have called the fact that Macca would have something to report unless:

1) Aliens have probe
2) Macca is alien

In case 1: the only reason to not probe Damo is the aliens tried to kill him. In this case, either we have NO mafia/SK team, or Macca is mafia/SK (or was target of another NK...unlikely)

In case 2: Macca is alien.

Maybe alien probed Macca in a desparate attempt to get HR read as jailer (especially if an alien had discarded jailer).

Agreed. Do you think aliens tried to kill you? If so...no mafia/sk kill last night for some reason.

[jasnah]

@ Bonatogether To be honest I have one of the highest useful content to word count ratio of anyone in this game. Although with the quality of theories you've been pushing since D1 I'm not at all surprised that you believe player's worth is measured by how much spam he can excrete.

I'm voting Maniac tomorrow.

[kgray]

So, does this confirm that aliens have the anal prober as well, or was this just some weird gimmick to try and clear macca as non-alien?

I don't see a way that HR could have called the fact that Macca would have something to report unless:

1) Aliens have probe
2) Macca is alien

In case 1: the only reason to not probe Damo is the aliens tried to kill him. In this case, either we have NO mafia/SK team, or Macca is mafia/SK (or was target of another NK...unlikely)

In case 2: Macca is alien.

Maybe alien probed Macca in a desparate attempt to get HR read as jailer (especially if an alien had discarded jailer).

I think this is what happened. It just seems so much more likely that they were trying to set up Macca and/or clear HR using non-alien!Macca than that they risked Macca having to lie about being RB'd. Because if they *did* use their RB on somebody else (damo, presumably) then it would be pretty easy to conclude that that Macca was an alien. So they might as well use it on Macca. I think.

[Bonatogether]

@ Bonatogether To be honest I have one of the highest useful content to word count ratio of anyone in this game. Although with the quality of theories you've been pushing since D1 I'm not at all surprised that you believe player's worth is measured by how much spam he can excrete.

I'm voting Maniac tomorrow.

Did you read my post? I'm specifically distinguishing between amount of posts and amount of stuff being said.

[e.m.c^42]

kek @jasnah coming in like that.

[jasnah]

Did you read my post? I'm specifically distinguishing between amount of posts and amount of stuff being said.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were just mistaken and not thick but you insist on correcting me

I think this is probably town though, like many others, just a pretty bad one

[brainbomb]

EoN1 Reads:

BobMcBob - Very solid townread. Solid questioning, plenty thoughts. Big fan.

Bonatogether - Ignoring the shitshow that was the deliberate tying I've found his absence of effort tonight, after making such a big deal about VCA, to be pretty poor. I'm not willing to instantly clear him because no scum would ever do that, and in particular if celaph is scum I think he looks very bad. Slight scum.

bozotheclown - Very low presence. Did essentially nothing, including no weirdness, D1... And N1 he seems to have gone back & forth over whether celaph claiming VT is townie or not. Somewhat less slight scum.

brainbomb - Pretty solid townread currently. The fact he even made a case I agree with (on emc) means there's some frozen popsicles in Tartarus at present, but I'm reassured by how wrong I believe he is on Bunny, so all is not lost.

BunnyGo - Didn't like the wagon on him, and the VCA doesn't show any attempt to consolidate or rescue him at all. Given his semi-claim it's unlikely he lives long term anyway, but I'm pretty content to mark him as town.

celaph - Pretty meh all around. Normally I'd say that two scum being up for grabs D1 is unlikely and with my scumread on rdrivera getting stronger that should rule celaph out; but with two scumteams that logic doesn't hold up. Null.

damo666 - Find his vote pattern to be the worst of anyone, as the timing of his vote on BunnyGo after that wagon had clearly died really sticks out as bad, and looks more like a way for him to cover up a more direct flip onto fisch. Has done essentially nothing else of note, and could conceivably have been protecting either rdrivera *or* celaph D1. There's been very little questioning and no strange damoish thought processes going on either. Scum.

DemonRHK - Don't like the way he left the rdrivera wagon and refused the opportunity to return it when the Bunny wagon died. Don't understand how he got those early townreads either, and he *did* feel very awkward & defensive in his entrance. Slight scum

Donny Dude - Didn't like the way he agreed with a townread on DemonRHK and then forgot all about it, but the rest of his game has been pretty solid with some potent questioning, so I'm leaning town.

emc - Awful, really awful D1. This reads like an emc who's subbed into a game on D6 and can't be bothered reading anything, and it's the absolute antithesis of his recent games (in which he's always been town), so I can definitely buy that emc's 180 is just because he isn't town. Whilst personal life issues are a perfectly plausible excuse, I find the fact that the enthusiasm has 180'd even from the Signup thread to be most telling there. Scum.

Ezio - Exists. Has done pretty much nothing but managed to get angry at lfisch being daykilled despite him voting lfisch, which read pretty disingenous. Null.

ghug - Not entirely sure. I felt his game to be very anterior compared to last game early on but was apparently an outlier on that thought. Given he openly said after last game that he'd tailored his play specifically to get certain people including myself to townread him I'm also pretty wary that he might be doing the same thing again in the other direction. Regarding the rest of his day he felt more like himself but if rdrivera is scum he looks really bad. Still, he did at least break the tie. Null

Hamilton Brian - Back to his usual self this game, making the slightly awkward questions that draw attention to himself and which were totally absent from his game last time out, so I'm parking a very solid townread here.

jasnah - I concur that I feel she'd play this way no matter which alignment she rolled, from all I've seen of her presence on the rest of the forums & the discords. I suspect it's going to get her a lot of pressure in the midgame but her vote pattern was decent and I haven't found her thought processes that hard to follow, even if she doesn't explain everything. Slight town.

kgray - Not getting a particularly strong townie feeling at the moment, and I feel like she's attacking me over rdrivera as a way to cover up her own weakness on not going back to him when he was still a viable wagon post-Bunny. I don't recall having to make such circular arguments with her in the past either. Slight scum

Macca573 - Very low presence, I can barely remember anything they've done this game. Given I recollect them being a pretty solid townread last time they played this gives me very similar vibes to the sort I was getting off of HB early last game, and I definitely think Macca needs looking at more closely. Slight scum.

Maniac - Exists. Nothing to really say, although the VCA looks pretty good for him if either rdrivera *or* celaph is scum, which is noteworthy as that's pretty much unique. Null

[BunnyGo]

kek @jasnah coming in like that.

^

[kgray]

@bona can you comment on Bunny's question about why you said SK would be solvey but then don't list solvey people as SK candidates?

[Bonatogether]

Did you read my post? I'm specifically distinguishing between amount of posts and amount of stuff being said.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were just mistaken and not thick but you insist on correcting me

I think this is probably town though, like many others, just a pretty bad one

What do you disagree with then? My underlying assumptions (which I laid out in the first post, with reasons and everything), or how I go about using them?

[Donny Dude]

K, great result.
Why is vecna doing a caesar impression.
Thanks bb, was asking in case hr had been mafia governed and had an idea to search based off tone and who mentioned him then.

[jasnah]

What do you disagree with then? My underlying assumptions (which I laid out in the first post, with reasons and everything), or how I go about using them?

I'm not sure where your expected play claims are coming from at all. Like literally I can't see any reason that alien mafia sk or town would play the way you wrote so the criteria is busted to begin with. Especially town being less invested..like sure some low energy VT who just wants to be carried by me sure, but town have pretty good reason to be engaged during the day. I have no QT to gossip in and as you know I have no irl friends so if I want to talk to people the main thread is my only place to go.

[brainbomb]

@ bunny go I don't even play press diplomacy so it seems like you're writing a lot of redundant filler, which kgray brought up as a scum read.

As said before I'm not opposed to a bunny wagon although I would like to see celaph and rdrivera resolved to some extent first.

I doubt any of bunny celaph or rdrivera are dying, and although I voiced my paranoia earlier I think I'll probably be spared as well as scum would probably dismiss me as not the most diligent or well-liked member of town, which isn't wrong.

I dare scum to WIFOM using the above. Let's see how much they think they can get away with. Rest assured town, the truth will prevail

Jasnah seems like a megaphone for HR ideas