MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

@kgray

stop reading my mind

[kgray]

@kgray

stop reading my mind

Welcome to towncore, damo!

[brainbomb]

I disagree kaybay because aliens wanted reall badly to stop a nk with prober and I cant imagine that their prober would be aiming for invests with a psychotroop in play. I cant imagine theyd be risking self roleblocks without a pathway to their prober being confirmed a jailor

[damo666]

No point it not saying it at this point as my role should be obvious.

I was visited at least 3 times last night since I was attacked, saved and got 2 results thus parroted. My self result proved the existence of psychotrooper.

My night 1 result means celaph is not VT, goon or SK. I'm fairly convinced he's not VT and he should be tomorrow's kill.

My other N2 result indicates player X is also not VT, goon or SK. I have no real clues as to what they are though. If push comes to shove I was say town PR.

I will reveal the identity of player X at EON.

I suspect I know the identities of cop and parrot.

Please prevent me from being killed tonight.

Finally, I invite submissions as to who I should investigate tonight and why.

[brainbomb]

So lets review facts
•The Aliens have a prober probably but not certain
•Ghug is confirmed not alien was RB n1 why? could be lying
•Macca is confirmed not alien was RB n2 why? could be lying
•Aliens are at max at 4 left alive why? couldn't they have started with 6?

Speculatives:
•Aliens likely have not used kill probably
•Bozo was killed by another evil group or vig probably mafia killed
•All invest roles would be invalid in findings not quite invalid because can be reversed to discover the truth so as good as valid

No unless Jamie ran a setup with over 30% of the players as villains which no gm with an ounce of sanity could call balanced

[kgray]

I disagree kaybay because aliens wanted reall badly to stop a nk with prober and I cant imagine that their prober would be aiming for invests with a psychotroop in play. I cant imagine theyd be risking self roleblocks without a pathway to their prober being confirmed a jailor

I'm not following all of this, sorry brainbombadom. My point was that there could be non-alien RB's in play (mafia JOAT most likely). I don't think aliens would probe themselves.

[damo666]

So lets review facts
•The Aliens have a prober probably but not certain
•Ghug is confirmed not alien was RB n1 why? could be lying
•Macca is confirmed not alien was RB n2 why? could be lying
•Aliens are at max at 4 left alive why? couldn't they have started with 6?

Speculatives:
•Aliens likely have not used kill probably
•Bozo was killed by another evil group or vig probably mafia killed
•All invest roles would be invalid in findings not quite invalid because can be reversed to discover the truth so as good as valid

No unless Jamie ran a setup with over 30% of the players as villains which no gm with an ounce of sanity could call balanced

6 aliens, no mafia and no SK at start is just about possible. Unlikely but possible.

[brainbomb]

you have no idea what horrors are contained within those space ships.


1. To ensure that the setup is not *completely* broken, the GM will first check that the following minimum parameters are met:
i) At least 11 players (i.e. more than 50%) are Town;
ii) At least 3 players are of anti-Town alignment.

(In the fairly unlikely event these minimum thresholds are not met, the whole thing unfortunately has to be re-rolled. However, this really is quite unlikely.)

2. Having ensured (1) is met, any roles with partners or QT access are then informed of the identity of their partners / given their QT links.


So with 21 players and only 2 dead town the worst most treacherous possible swing is a
9 town
9 bad guys still alive

if thats the case then we already lost the game anyway unless the two bad factions kill each other

again, given the discards, given that HR, Bozo, Ifischl, myself all discarded maf roles its absurdly unlikely that theres 9 evil ppl alive

[Maniac]

That makes the next kill fairly straightforward. Great we’ve got one. Must have defended Celaph.

[BunnyGo]

I mean, they tried to kill him, no?

If so...their only factional kill is gone, right?

Oh, yeah I think so. I thought it recharged if it didn't work but it doesn't say that in the setup. But it doesn't have to be aliens that shot damo, so I guess there's no point in speculating.

This is true, but I see no other reason for an alien prober (if extant) to have avoided Damo.

I also see 0 reason at all for an SK to target Damo. SK *looooooves* Damo.

[kgray]

That makes the next kill fairly straightforward. Great we’ve got one. Must have defended Celaph.

[rdrivera2005]

Well, great result as the Psychotrooper interfere with not only cops but all PRs (but Doctor I guess).

I think celaph is the next obvious target, even wanting to get Maniac.

[brainbomb]

##Call GM
in the event that a setup was rolled in which only 11 players chose town roles, would the setup be considered balanced/playable?

that would mean even one mis-elim would make town unable to have parity

[damo666]

Discards:

Bob: Mafia compulsive hider
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Mafia RB
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK: town
Donny: Enabler
emc: town
Ezio: Town Doctor
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton: chooses not to answer
HR: Mafia Loud Role Cop
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien Bulletproof Lover
Macca:
Mania​c: Commuter
rdrivera: town
Vecna: VT


For ref

[BunnyGo]

So, does this confirm that aliens have the anal prober as well, or was this just some weird gimmick to try and clear macca as non-alien?

I don't see a way that HR could have called the fact that Macca would have something to report unless:

1) Aliens have probe
2) Macca is alien

In case 1: the only reason to not probe Damo is the aliens tried to kill him. In this case, either we have NO mafia/SK team, or Macca is mafia/SK (or was target of another NK...unlikely)

In case 2: Macca is alien.

[brainbomb]

We should play this setup again on Nightmare mode where its a 47% maf to town ratio.

[BunnyGo]

I can't tell having been saved. I would only know if it was Loud Doc if I hadn't been a kill target.

Whichever doc saved me the other can tonight if in play and assuming both didn't save me last night.

If there's a parrot in play, they can help doctor self save while saving you too...

let's get on with it.

##vote hr ##end

Of course there's a parrot in play. That's how I was 100% certain psychotrooper was in play.

I KNOW! I was being cagey...Of course parrot is in play. And of course you found someone else who is not vanilla with your scan.

[rdrivera2005]

Maybe bunny doesnt have a QT where his teammembers explain it to him Rdrivera.

We cant all be as lucky as you

It's the second time someone insinuate I am not capable of reading and understanding the game and need someone to tell things to me. The first was Bunny that you also seems to be defending him.
Do you really think I am this bad or are you two on a QT together?

[BunnyGo]

So lets review facts
•The Aliens have a prober Or Macca is alien and lying
•Ghug is confirmed not alien was RB n1 Or there was mafia RB too
•Macca is confirmed not alien was RB n2 Or Macca is lying
•Aliens are at max at 4 left alive Where is that number from?!

Speculatives:
•Aliens likely have not used kill Wrong. If they have prob, they tried to kill Damo. No other reason to not probe Damo and let him get intel for us.
•Bozo was killed by another evil group or vig
•All invest roles would be invalid in findings

Fixed your post

[BunnyGo]

It is probable that either HR or an alien teammate discarded Jailer.

This is interesting and likely conclusion