MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

SENATOR BRAINBOMB,

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE DESIRE TO HEAR FROM SENATOR HR?

YOU DO NOT FEEL THERE IS AT LEAST THE SLIGHTEST OF POSSIBILITIES HE IS BENIG TRUTHFUL?

YOU WANT TO MURDER HIM IN HIS SLEEP, WHILE SO MANY WORDS ARE LEFT UNSAID?

YOU DO NOT WANT TO WAIT FOR SENATOR GHUG TO EITHER CONFIRM THESE WORDS, OR AT LEAST INCRIMINATE HIMSELF IN THE PROCESS?

YOU HAVE FAILED TO UPHOLD TO TRIAS POLITICAS OF OUR REPUBLIC. YOU HAVE FAILED TO IMPRESS WISE CEASAR WITH YOUR REASONING.

PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE. FLATULENCE IS ONLY PASSING. CHOOSE PATIENCE.

[BunnyGo]

Yes, maybe I jumped the gun on macca - it just seemed sus that we have no kill on the day he claims RB.

Anyhoo back to your claims.

At the time you said Celaph is NOT alien that was based on an innocent scan presumably. Now you say you know there is a PsychTrooper in play (which I believe and know you could have verified this) then according to you Celaph MUST be Alien? No? If nothing why not?

If Celaph isn’t alien you must have lied about something. My comments about killing Celaph then either HR or you still stand.

##unvote

Coming from the person who (presumably) correctly interpreted damo's claim last night, this looks really, really bad. How have you managed to forget this quickly? Did you choose to ignore it?

I haven’t forgotten anything. There are more than one investigative roles. Damo666 has made a statement that Celaph was NOT alien. And now says there is a Psychotrooper in play. I can see how he would be able to verify the second statement. My contention was that if Damo was telling the truth then Celaph must be Alien. Damo666 now says all he knows is Celaph isn’t the SK which leaves me scratching my head tbh.

I would tell you more, but I think your QT can’t figure it out either.

[brainbomb]

SENATOR BRAINBOMB,

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE DESIRE TO HEAR FROM SENATOR HR?

YOU DO NOT FEEL THERE IS AT LEAST THE SLIGHTEST OF POSSIBILITIES HE IS BENIG TRUTHFUL?

YOU WANT TO MURDER HIM IN HIS SLEEP, WHILE SO MANY WORDS ARE LEFT UNSAID?

YOU DO NOT WANT TO WAIT FOR SENATOR GHUG TO EITHER CONFIRM THESE WORDS, OR AT LEAST INCRIMINATE HIMSELF IN THE PROCESS?

YOU HAVE FAILED TO UPHOLD TO TRIAS POLITICAS OF OUR REPUBLIC. YOU HAVE FAILED TO IMPRESS WISE CEASAR WITH YOUR REASONING.

PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE. FLATULENCE IS ONLY PASSING. CHOOSE PATIENCE.

ghug claimed rb n1
HR has already spoken

it was confirmed that jailing appears as a roleblock. HR called the gm to ask instead of asking privately earlier in the game. no jailer would do that. he did it to show it as a fake crumb and to try to eventually pretend to be that role

[damo666]

Because the only way I'm JOAT is if there's two underdogs (I jailed ghug N1) and can be easily disproven by me jailing someone else again tonight. And any alien prober that didn't probe damo is just a lunatic, unless you think damo is my teammate too.

More importantly though, we're 12 hours into a day with nobody claiming doc save, so I really don't see how Macca isn't the mafia who was supposed to perform the kill.

....

Anyone want to claim doc saved?
Anyone want to CC the jailor claim?
Anyone else want to claim RB?

If not, allow me to spell out the possibilities with no judgement/weightings by me:

Class 1: (HR is telling the truth about stuff)

A) Macca is mafia set to perform kill last night
B) Macca was target of NK last night
C) There was no NK attempt last night

Class 2: (HR is lying about being the jailor, but DID manage to RB Macca)

A) HR is the alien prober
B) HR is the mafia JOAT and someone else RBd ghug

Class 3: (HR is lying about being the jailor and DID NOT RB Macca)

A) HR and Macca are on the same team and planned this
B) HR knew that Macca was the NK target and set this up knowing that Macca was jailed/saved by someone


I think that's most of the likely ones I may have missed something.

Under class 1 explain why there can't be a kill attempt not involving Macca?

I missed the 'if not'

[BobMcBob]

Yes, maybe I jumped the gun on macca - it just seemed sus that we have no kill on the day he claims RB.

Anyhoo back to your claims.

At the time you said Celaph is NOT alien that was based on an innocent scan presumably. Now you say you know there is a PsychTrooper in play (which I believe and know you could have verified this) then according to you Celaph MUST be Alien? No? If nothing why not?

If Celaph isn’t alien you must have lied about something. My comments about killing Celaph then either HR or you still stand.

##unvote

Coming from the person who (presumably) correctly interpreted damo's claim last night, this looks really, really bad. How have you managed to forget this quickly? Did you choose to ignore it?

I haven’t forgotten anything. There are more than one investigative roles. Damo666 has made a statement that Celaph was NOT alien. And now says there is a Psychotrooper in play. I can see how he would be able to verify the second statement. My contention was that if Damo was telling the truth then Celaph must be Alien. Damo666 now says all he knows is Celaph isn’t the SK which leaves me scratching my head tbh.

There is a pretty easy explanation for this that I'm not gonna out, but keep scratching your head. You'll get it eventually. Yes, there are multiple investigative roles. There is only one way that last thing you said can be true.

[brainbomb]

Jailkeeper
You are the JAILKEEPER. Each day you must vote for a suspect. Each night, you may place another player in jail, by PM-ing your target to both GMs. If you can find your target, you will roleblock them and also protect them - the target will be prevented from taking any night actions of their own, and the target will also be protected from night killing actions. You cannot protect them from the Strongman. You may not jail yourself, nor may you jail the same person on consecutive nights. You win when all non-town Factions are defeated, or nothing can stop this from happening.
(ROLEBLOCKING / PROTECTIVE)

##Call GM

maybe youve covered this and im sorry if you have but is this a traditional jailing where the target learns they were jailed?

GM NOTE
The target would be notified, yes. Note however that if they were also protected from a killing action which would otherwise have killed them, they are not informed of this additional information.

##CALL GM

What form does the notification take, though? Is it just a notification that says they were RB'd or does it say that they were jailed?

He wouldnt need to know this publicly and wouldnt use pandering for verification like this as town

[BobMcBob]

Coming from the person who (presumably) correctly interpreted damo's claim last night, this looks really, really bad. How have you managed to forget this quickly? Did you choose to ignore it?

I haven’t forgotten anything. There are more than one investigative roles. Damo666 has made a statement that Celaph was NOT alien. And now says there is a Psychotrooper in play. I can see how he would be able to verify the second statement. My contention was that if Damo was telling the truth then Celaph must be Alien. Damo666 now says all he knows is Celaph isn’t the SK which leaves me scratching my head tbh.

I would tell you more, but I think your QT can’t figure it out either.

This currently seems very likely indeed.

[brainbomb]

The thing about conspiracy theorist claims is that there's absolutely zero reason for the Mafia to shoot them (as they probably want the aliens hunted out too); which is why they're even better for fakeclaiming because they'll have no trouble explaining why they're still alive.

Yeah, because the aliens totally aren't going to target them...

With what, though? Are the aliens going to risk using their sole NK at this early stage? Probably not - and if there's a Mafia Doctor then that's irrelevant anyway. A vanillaizer also wouldn't have any effect if it's a Goon fakeclaiming, so really the only role they'd be afraid of is the treestumper - And as nobody has been treestumped (and there's really no reason for the aliens to have held that) we can probably assume there isn't one of those in the game.

Of course if it's an alien fakeclaiming then that's even more irrelevant

HR is the Alien Prober

[Vecna]

YOUR VERSION OF EVENTS HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, SENATOR BRAINBOMB.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.

[damo666]

Yes, maybe I jumped the gun on macca - it just seemed sus that we have no kill on the day he claims RB.

Anyhoo back to your claims.

At the time you said Celaph is NOT alien that was based on an innocent scan presumably. Now you say you know there is a PsychTrooper in play (which I believe and know you could have verified this) then according to you Celaph MUST be Alien? No? If nothing why not?

If Celaph isn’t alien you must have lied about something. My comments about killing Celaph then either HR or you still stand.

##unvote

Coming from the person who (presumably) correctly interpreted damo's claim last night, this looks really, really bad. How have you managed to forget this quickly? Did you choose to ignore it?

I haven’t forgotten anything. There are more than one investigative roles. Damo666 has made a statement that Celaph was NOT alien. And now says there is a Psychotrooper in play. I can see how he would be able to verify the second statement. My contention was that if Damo was telling the truth then Celaph must be Alien. Damo666 now says all he knows is Celaph isn’t the SK which leaves me scratching my head tbh.

Maniac just forget my day 1 statement OK?

[BunnyGo]

Yeah, because the aliens totally aren't going to target them...

With what, though? Are the aliens going to risk using their sole NK at this early stage? Probably not - and if there's a Mafia Doctor then that's irrelevant anyway. A vanillaizer also wouldn't have any effect if it's a Goon fakeclaiming, so really the only role they'd be afraid of is the treestumper - And as nobody has been treestumped (and there's really no reason for the aliens to have held that) we can probably assume there isn't one of those in the game.

Of course if it's an alien fakeclaiming then that's even more irrelevant

HR is the Alien Prober

In which case you think Macca being mafia killer/SK becomes likely?

[Vecna]

##VOTE HR

CEASAR, LOVED BY ALL THE COMMONERS, HAS DEEMED IT WISE TO GIVE THE MASSES WHAT THEY WANT.

LET THERE BE BREAD AND GAMES!

[brainbomb]

With what, though? Are the aliens going to risk using their sole NK at this early stage? Probably not - and if there's a Mafia Doctor then that's irrelevant anyway. A vanillaizer also wouldn't have any effect if it's a Goon fakeclaiming, so really the only role they'd be afraid of is the treestumper - And as nobody has been treestumped (and there's really no reason for the aliens to have held that) we can probably assume there isn't one of those in the game.

Of course if it's an alien fakeclaiming then that's even more irrelevant

HR is the Alien Prober

In which case you think Macca being mafia killer/SK becomes likely?

No. I think maf might not exist

[brainbomb]

were likely only chasing aliens this game. and they used their N1 kill on bozo

[Bonatogether]

@Damo666 - which bit of your D1 statement is incorrect? Why is it incorrect did you lie or make a mistake?

For now ##unvote Celaph

@Macca - you were roleblocked on a night no one died. Okay

##voteMacca

I made a mistake. I didn't account for psychotrooper.

Why you voting Macca? It is far more likely that being roleblocked and the lack of a kill are unrelated than the roleblock of a scum kill. Even if it were related it could RB of day vig. Your vote does not make sense.

Yes, maybe I jumped the gun on macca - it just seemed sus that we have no kill on the day he claims RB.

Anyhoo back to your claims.

At the time you said Celaph is NOT alien that was based on an innocent scan presumably. Now you say you know there is a PsychTrooper in play (which I believe and know you could have verified this) then according to you Celaph MUST be Alien? No? If nothing why not?

If Celaph isn’t alien you must have lied about something. My comments about killing Celaph then either HR or you still stand.

##unvote

Why would he claimed rbed if he was mafia doing the kill? Seems dumb

[BunnyGo]

HR is the Alien Prober

In which case you think Macca being mafia killer/SK becomes likely?

No. I think maf might not exist

In which case it’s just aliens left?

Are you thinking the following?

1) No mafia team
2) No SK
3) No vanillaizer

Wait. You think HR is the prober and went for Macca instead of Damo as a way to try and clear himself? But instead gave Damo all this massive information?

[brainbomb]

the reason HR keeps saying sk is holstering is he doesnt want ppl to realize that there isnt a maf team or an sk

[brainbomb]

In which case you think Macca being mafia killer/SK becomes likely?

No. I think maf might not exist

In which case it’s just aliens left?

Are you thinking the following?

1) No mafia team
2) No SK
3) No vanillaizer

Wait. You think HR is the prober and went for Macca instead of Damo as a way to try and clear himself? But instead gave Damo all this massive information?

100% it is only an alien team

[Maniac]

So HR is either Jailer or Alien prober.

I can’t see why the jailer who tie the vote D2, but I can see why the prober would tie the vote if Celaph is also an alien.

So ##voteHR

I’m not end voting though. If HR is the prober then he will have two scans Ghug and Macca. If either are mafia it is in his interest to tell us.

If Ghug or Macca vote end, I’d be very suspicious of them.

[BobMcBob]

Well, I should be going to sleep, I honestly kinda hope it's N3 when I wake up. D3 has been going long enough already.