MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BobMcBob]

@Damo666 - which bit of your D1 statement is incorrect? Why is it incorrect did you lie or make a mistake?

For now ##unvote Celaph

@Macca - you were roleblocked on a night no one died. Okay

##voteMacca

I made a mistake. I didn't account for psychotrooper.

Why you voting Macca? It is far more likely that being roleblocked and the lack of a kill are unrelated than the roleblock of a scum kill. Even if it were related it could RB of day vig. Your vote does not make sense.

Yes, maybe I jumped the gun on macca - it just seemed sus that we have no kill on the day he claims RB.

Anyhoo back to your claims.

At the time you said Celaph is NOT alien that was based on an innocent scan presumably. Now you say you know there is a PsychTrooper in play (which I believe and know you could have verified this) then according to you Celaph MUST be Alien? No? If nothing why not?

If Celaph isn’t alien you must have lied about something. My comments about killing Celaph then either HR or you still stand.

##unvote

Coming from the person who (presumably) correctly interpreted damo's claim last night, this looks really, really bad. How have you managed to forget this quickly? Did you choose to ignore it?

[Maniac]

##vote Maniac, I changed my mind.

Have a word with yourself EMC. If you can’t find a better day kill than me today, you’re not trying.

[BunnyGo]

Anyway, they are each claiming separate things, so very likely imo they are on different teams and this is not setup. HR claimed jailed, Macca claimed roleblocked - and if I understand correctly, the usual notifications are different for each one ("you were roleblocked" versus "you were jailed").

This game the notifications are the same. ##Call GM

[Vecna]

Ooh, thoughts on Vecna please emc?

He's SK and main reason why we haven't had kills is coz he forgot to enter them :v

More serious read, his absence read similar to mine as did returning opinions, and I am absolutely Vecna trash so he doesn't even need to say anything for pocketing to occur. Read is obviously biased beyond belief.

That being said, as of this point I think he's just sort of following me the way you follow mushroom foragers to find corpses. Probably scum but he's not a priority - with multiple factions in play he'll scumhunt regardless his alignment - so he'll either be wagoned off or he'll be dead from opposing faction in few days.

So town-null by proxy coz I love his smug ass. I'll always treat him as town even when scumreading him.

The absence does fit my personal take on his scum meta being something like, I shall misquote here, "glorious wifom (posting habits), lazy-ass bastard".

MY ETERNAL MUSE HAS SPOKEN. TRUE DELIGHT.

AS PLATO WOULD HAVE SAID, EVERY CITY DESERVES AN EMC TO PROPEL IT FROM BEING MERELY A DANK CAVE TOWARDS THE LIGHT

[Vecna]

maniac and vecna probably are incredibly active in a scum qt somewhere both gawking at how easy its been

I AGREE WITH THEE THAT THE SCROUNDREL BY THE NAME OF MANIAC IS DUE FOR PUBLIC FLOGGING. HE HAS BEEN SCURRYING IN THE SHADOWS LIKE A HUNGRY PROMENADE MINK. ACTIVELY AVOIDING ANY PROPER SENATORIAL DISCOURSE.

##VOTE MANIAC

[DemonRHK]

Why have we not finished his hammer?

If HR was really Jailer, why would he not use that protective role on any of the multiple exposed claims, one of his strongest townreads being a claimed VT he’s already saved once D2 with the tie?

Instead we are to buy he selected a lukewarm read to jail, that the read also happened to be mafia, AND was the one performing the NK.


Nah fam, hammer this out. Our best case here is HR is mafia with no scumgov in play. More that likely scum holstered.

[BobMcBob]

Yeah, I was roleblocked.

Strange that he thinks it's a clear though. JOAT's dead, so he's either Jailer or Alien Prober (assuming Bunny's telling truth about discard; He did RB me, not someone else {which he just guessed}).

I did discard RoleBlocker.

This doesn't clear him though, as the JOAT power could be taken by scum.

In fact, that's exactly the scum card we were predicting HR would have.

@HR: enough games. Why did you think Macca claiming RB would exonerate you?

Because the only way I'm JOAT is if there's two underdogs (I jailed ghug N1) and can be easily disproven by me jailing someone else again tonight. And any alien prober that didn't probe damo is just a lunatic, unless you think damo is my teammate too.

More importantly though, we're 12 hours into a day with nobody claiming doc save, so I really don't see how Macca isn't the mafia who was supposed to perform the kill.

First, why should someone claim docsave? Until now there was really no reason, and there still isn't a particularly good one. Second, why would prober be stupid not to RB damo? It has been (unproductively) stated multiple times what damo's role is and alien prober would not have any real need to RB. But now I'm finding myself slightly less convinced that HR is scum and maybe that he is just the worst town player of all time, and I hate it.

[Vecna]

Alrighty.

I've read though, but I'm going to post my normal replies then get to the HR stuff, because it's more complex.

See you very soon!

SENATOR MACCA. PLEASE MAKE HASTE. THE MOB IS GETTING ROWDY.

[BobMcBob]

I did discard RoleBlocker.

This doesn't clear him though, as the JOAT power could be taken by scum.

In fact, that's exactly the scum card we were predicting HR would have.

@HR: enough games. Why did you think Macca claiming RB would exonerate you?

Because the only way I'm JOAT is if there's two underdogs (I jailed ghug N1) and can be easily disproven by me jailing someone else again tonight. And any alien prober that didn't probe damo is just a lunatic, unless you think damo is my teammate too.

More importantly though, we're 12 hours into a day with nobody claiming doc save, so I really don't see how Macca isn't the mafia who was supposed to perform the kill.

....

Anyone want to claim doc saved?
Anyone want to CC the jailor claim?
Anyone else want to claim RB?

If not, allow me to spell out the possibilities with no judgement/weightings by me:

Class 1: (HR is telling the truth about stuff)

A) Macca is mafia set to perform kill last night
B) Macca was target of NK last night
C) There was no NK attempt last night

Class 2: (HR is lying about being the jailor, but DID manage to RB Macca)

A) HR is the alien prober
B) HR is the mafia JOAT and someone else RBd ghug

Class 3: (HR is lying about being the jailor and DID NOT RB Macca)

A) HR and Macca are on the same team and planned this
B) HR knew that Macca was the NK target and set this up knowing that Macca was jailed/saved by someone


I think that's most of the likely ones I may have missed something.

You forgot the possibility that doc saved the NK target.

[BobMcBob]

Why have we not finished his hammer?

If HR was really Jailer, why would he not use that protective role on any of the multiple exposed claims, one of his strongest townreads being a claimed VT he’s already saved once D2 with the tie?

Instead we are to buy he selected a lukewarm read to jail, that the read also happened to be mafia, AND was the one performing the NK.


Nah fam, hammer this out. Our best case here is HR is mafia with no scumgov in play. More that likely scum holstered.

Actually yeah, never mind it still doesn't make any sense as a town play. I can see ways in which it could play out that HR is town, but still extremely unlikely.

[e.m.c^42]

Anyway, they are each claiming separate things, so very likely imo they are on different teams and this is not setup. HR claimed jailed, Macca claimed roleblocked - and if I understand correctly, the usual notifications are different for each one ("you were roleblocked" versus "you were jailed").

This game the notifications are the same. ##Call GM

Oh, really?

[Vecna]

However, it is something I would otherwise claim...

Macca, if you were saved last night or roleblocked you should claim. If it was something that could expose your role then think carefully if it's worth.

Yeah, I was roleblocked.

Strange that he thinks it's a clear though. JOAT's dead, so he's either Jailer or Alien Prober (assuming Bunny's telling truth about discard; He did RB me, not someone else {which he just guessed}).

AN INTERESTING REVEAL TO BE SURE. THE REAL QUESTION THEN IS, WHY ON EARTH WOULD SENATOR HR ROLEBLOCK THE VERY UN-PUBLIC PERSON THAT IS SENATOR MACCA.

SURELY, NO NOBLE WOULD EVER SHELVE OUT A FORTUNE TO HAVE SENATOR MACCA ASSASSINATED.

THE MORE LIKELY OUTCOME IS THAT SENATOR MACCA WAS INDEED VIOLATED MOST UNPLEASANTLY BY A FOREIGNER.

[Hamilton Brian]

Just checking in this morning to see what I may have missed since page...? 160-something? Back into physical workspace today so it'll be touchy to get a consistent read done.

I did notice in one of the previous posts about how HR and Macca could both be on the same team, planned this whole thing out, etc. I think that's a strong possibility.

HR would also be guilty of the scumtell of "walls of text." As much as I lauded them a couple of days ago about said walls and how, "If you're scum doing that much effort, kudos to you," now...I am beginning to think it is a total scum play.

Alright, off to walk in -20C wind chills!!!! Go me!

[brainbomb]

Can we move to silence cicero please?

[Vecna]

so who should I study today

STUDY THE ELEGANT FORM OF YON MIGHTY CEASAR

THE DIVINE WISDOM ENCOMPASSES ALL. PAY HOMAGE, OR MAY THE GODS SHRIVEL THINE SCROTUM

Last time you role played Ceasars you were scum...

UTTER BLASPHEMY. ROYAL CEASAR IS ALWAYS OF THE MOST WORTHY STOCK.

REPENT, LEST I ORDER THEE QUARTERED BY THE IMPERIAL FLOCK OF CAMELS.

[e.m.c^42]

##vote Maniac, I changed my mind.

I mean...i see it, but is it really today's kill?

Of course not, but myself being on or off of HR makes no difference as to whether he lives or dies, so might as well just sit here. Also, he's much more entertaining if he thinks he has chance at survival.

[Vecna]

I think we can conclude either HR or Macca is lying.

Anyone think of a way they can both be telling the truth?

WHAT IS THIS BABBLING THAT IS UTTERLY DEVOID OF ANY CRITICAL THOUGHT.

PLEASE, CLEAR THE SENATE FLOOR FOR MORE WORTHY DISCUSSION.

DISMISSED.

[Vecna]

@Damo666 - which bit of your D1 statement is incorrect? Why is it incorrect did you lie or make a mistake?

For now ##unvote Celaph

@Macca - you were roleblocked on a night no one died. Okay

##voteMacca

THIS...

THIS....

IS AN AWFULLY FAST JUMP TO A CONCLUSION MOST OTHERS WERE NOT PONDERING AT ALL YET.

SENATOR MANIAC SEEMS TO BE DISPLAYING INSIGHTS UNKNOWN TO MOST OTHER SENATORS.

I SMELL A CO-CONSPIRATOR.

THE SENATE SUMMONS HR TO ACCOUNT FOR HIS ACTIONS.

[brainbomb]

it is interesting that HR knew when macca would be on without asking.

bob anything to say on that?

[Vecna]

Macca, if you were saved last night or roleblocked you should claim. If it was something that could expose your role then think carefully if it's worth.

Yeah, I was roleblocked.

Strange that he thinks it's a clear though. JOAT's dead, so he's either Jailer or Alien Prober (assuming Bunny's telling truth about discard; He did RB me, not someone else {which he just guessed}).

I did discard RoleBlocker.

This doesn't clear him though, as the JOAT power could be taken by scum.

In fact, that's exactly the scum card we were predicting HR would have.

@HR: enough games. Why did you think Macca claiming RB would exonerate you?

LET THE RECORD STATE.

IN HIS INFINITE WISDOM, CEASAR VOICES THE CONCERN,

THAT IF SENATOR HR IS FOUND TO BE A LOWLY CRIMINAL, HE MIGHT HAVE ORCHESTRATED THIS THEATRE TO PUT SENATOR MACCA IN ALL OUR GOOD GRACES.