MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

@Damo666 - which bit of your D1 statement is incorrect? Why is it incorrect did you lie or make a mistake?

For now ##unvote Celaph

@Macca - you were roleblocked on a night no one died. Okay

##voteMacca

I made a mistake. I didn't account for psychotrooper.

Why you voting Macca? It is far more likely that being roleblocked and the lack of a kill are unrelated than the roleblock of a scum kill. Even if it were related it could RB of day vig. Your vote does not make sense.

Yes, maybe I jumped the gun on macca - it just seemed sus that we have no kill on the day he claims RB.

Anyhoo back to your claims.

At the time you said Celaph is NOT alien that was based on an innocent scan presumably. Now you say you know there is a PsychTrooper in play (which I believe and know you could have verified this) then according to you Celaph MUST be Alien? No? If nothing why not?

If Celaph isn’t alien you must have lied about something. My comments about killing Celaph then either HR or you still stand.

##unvote

I repeat

The only thing I know about celaph's alignment is he is not SK.

Now work it out.

[BunnyGo]

I kind of dislike how...for lack of better word, rough kgray has gotten this game, since it seems alignment indicative. In past she's been cordially aggressive going after people, but here it is very much more abrasive haha.

Exactly what I was trying to articulate earlier!

How did you get to where EMC is hanging around the thread and my posts about the Prefect Adventures and not respond to the game relevant posts??!

[BunnyGo]

Brainbomb, You know last night you got all mentions of hr to pop up, is there a way to restrict that inquiry to just d3?

yes. Have you not played with the search feature on the bot? Some fun things:

1) use an * before/after your search phrase to add anything containing it
(for example, I search for User: Bunny* Words: celaph* Phases: d2 and find all the times I mentioned celaph (or celaph's or celaphiopod) in d2.

[BunnyGo]

However, it is something I would otherwise claim...

Macca, if you were saved last night or roleblocked you should claim. If it was something that could expose your role then think carefully if it's worth.

Yeah, I was roleblocked.

Strange that he thinks it's a clear though. JOAT's dead, so he's either Jailer or Alien Prober (assuming Bunny's telling truth about discard; He did RB me, not someone else {which he just guessed}).

I did discard RoleBlocker.

This doesn't clear him though, as the JOAT power could be taken by scum.

In fact, that's exactly the scum card we were predicting HR would have.

@HR: enough games. Why did you think Macca claiming RB would exonerate you?

[BunnyGo]

@damo: What do you think of the math(s)? Mafia team is 0-3 with mode on 1?

P(1) > P(2) > P(0) > P(3)?

Top of head the middle 2 might be reversed. Will take a look if and when I have time.

Middle two reversed was a thought also. Was doing this top of head around midnight.

[BunnyGo]

so who should I study today

STUDY THE ELEGANT FORM OF YON MIGHTY CEASAR

THE DIVINE WISDOM ENCOMPASSES ALL. PAY HOMAGE, OR MAY THE GODS SHRIVEL THINE SCROTUM

+100.You're killing me.

[Maniac]

I made a mistake. I didn't account for psychotrooper.

Why you voting Macca? It is far more likely that being roleblocked and the lack of a kill are unrelated than the roleblock of a scum kill. Even if it were related it could RB of day vig. Your vote does not make sense.

Yes, maybe I jumped the gun on macca - it just seemed sus that we have no kill on the day he claims RB.

Anyhoo back to your claims.

At the time you said Celaph is NOT alien that was based on an innocent scan presumably. Now you say you know there is a PsychTrooper in play (which I believe and know you could have verified this) then according to you Celaph MUST be Alien? No? If nothing why not?

If Celaph isn’t alien you must have lied about something. My comments about killing Celaph then either HR or you still stand.

##unvote

I repeat

The only thing I know about celaph's alignment is he is not SK.

Now work it out.

My head hurts.

[Hellenic Riot]

Macca, if you were saved last night or roleblocked you should claim. If it was something that could expose your role then think carefully if it's worth.

Yeah, I was roleblocked.

Strange that he thinks it's a clear though. JOAT's dead, so he's either Jailer or Alien Prober (assuming Bunny's telling truth about discard; He did RB me, not someone else {which he just guessed}).

I did discard RoleBlocker.

This doesn't clear him though, as the JOAT power could be taken by scum.

In fact, that's exactly the scum card we were predicting HR would have.

@HR: enough games. Why did you think Macca claiming RB would exonerate you?

Because the only way I'm JOAT is if there's two underdogs (I jailed ghug N1) and can be easily disproven by me jailing someone else again tonight. And any alien prober that didn't probe damo is just a lunatic, unless you think damo is my teammate too.

More importantly though, we're 12 hours into a day with nobody claiming doc save, so I really don't see how Macca isn't the mafia who was supposed to perform the kill.

[Vecna]

Alien One-shot Mass Redirector
You are the ALIEN ONE-SHOT MASS REDIRECTOR. Each day you must vote for a suspect. Once per game, you may choose a player at night. If your visit is successful, all night actions taken that night are redirected to your target. Your Alien team-mates are <NAME(S)> and you may communicate with them at NIGHT only in a QT, the link for which will be supplied when the game begins. You win when all non-Alien Factions are defeated, or nothing can stop this from happening.
(MANIPULATIVE)

so do we think this happened last night?

I doubt damo would have posted like that if it had been. He's on top of it I think.

WHY DOTH THOU ASCRIBE THE GIFTS OF THE ANCIENT ORACLE TO LOWLY PLEBEIAN "damo"?

CERTAINLY HE WOULD BE WRITHING IN IGNORANCE, SIMILARLY TO THEE

[BunnyGo]

Yeah, I was roleblocked.

Strange that he thinks it's a clear though. JOAT's dead, so he's either Jailer or Alien Prober (assuming Bunny's telling truth about discard; He did RB me, not someone else {which he just guessed}).

I did discard RoleBlocker.

This doesn't clear him though, as the JOAT power could be taken by scum.

In fact, that's exactly the scum card we were predicting HR would have.

@HR: enough games. Why did you think Macca claiming RB would exonerate you?

Because the only way I'm JOAT is if there's two underdogs (I jailed ghug N1) and can be easily disproven by me jailing someone else again tonight. And any alien prober that didn't probe damo is just a lunatic, unless you think damo is my teammate too.

More importantly though, we're 12 hours into a day with nobody claiming doc save, so I really don't see how Macca isn't the mafia who was supposed to perform the kill.

....

Anyone want to claim doc saved?
Anyone want to CC the jailor claim?
Anyone else want to claim RB?

If not, allow me to spell out the possibilities with no judgement/weightings by me:

Class 1: (HR is telling the truth about stuff)

A) Macca is mafia set to perform kill last night
B) Macca was target of NK last night
C) There was no NK attempt last night

Class 2: (HR is lying about being the jailor, but DID manage to RB Macca)

A) HR is the alien prober
B) HR is the mafia JOAT and someone else RBd ghug

Class 3: (HR is lying about being the jailor and DID NOT RB Macca)

A) HR and Macca are on the same team and planned this
B) HR knew that Macca was the NK target and set this up knowing that Macca was jailed/saved by someone


I think that's most of the likely ones I may have missed something.

[Vecna]

I don't understand why people are all fussed about the "WHO IS ONLINE" feature. It literally gives no useful information and has always been around, and breaks about as much privacy as seeing someone's post pop up in a thread.

THE PROBLEM, SENATOR EMC, RESIDES IN THE FACT THAT SOME PERVERTED COMMONERS MIGHT BE ABUSING THE PRIVACY OF OUR REPUBLICAN MAIL SYSTEM.

WOULD YOU LIKE THE SAVAGE BARBARIANS OF BAVARIA TO BE AWARE OF YOUR SECRET CORRESPONDANCE WITH SPARTAN WOMEN OF LOW REPUTE? WOULD YOU CARE FOR ME TO BE AWARE OF YOUR SUBSCRIPTION TO BACK-ALLEY BUGGERY MAGAZINE?

CIVIS ROMANUS SUM

I HAVE SPOKEN

[BunnyGo]

Alien One-shot Mass Redirector
You are the ALIEN ONE-SHOT MASS REDIRECTOR. Each day you must vote for a suspect. Once per game, you may choose a player at night. If your visit is successful, all night actions taken that night are redirected to your target. Your Alien team-mates are <NAME(S)> and you may communicate with them at NIGHT only in a QT, the link for which will be supplied when the game begins. You win when all non-Alien Factions are defeated, or nothing can stop this from happening.
(MANIPULATIVE)

so do we think this happened last night?

I doubt damo would have posted like that if it had been. He's on top of it I think.

WHY DOTH THOU ASCRIBE THE GIFTS OF THE ANCIENT ORACLE TO LOWLY PLEBEIAN "damo"?

CERTAINLY HE WOULD BE WRITHING IN IGNORANCE, SIMILARLY TO THEE

Stop PR hunting. I knew how damo knew. I am a devine oracle of logic and brilliance.

[brainbomb]

so who should I study today

STUDY THE ELEGANT FORM OF YON MIGHTY CEASAR

THE DIVINE WISDOM ENCOMPASSES ALL. PAY HOMAGE, OR MAY THE GODS SHRIVEL THINE SCROTUM

you pretend to be ceasar as scum tho

[brainbomb]

##Vote HR
##End

[e.m.c^42]

##vote Maniac, I changed my mind.

[BunnyGo]

##vote Maniac, I changed my mind.

I mean...i see it, but is it really today's kill?

[Vecna]

Vecna mentions
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?word=vecna&g=64

CONGRATULATIONS, YOU HAVE SUCCESFULLY SHOWN THAT JUPITER AND JUNO HAVE A TREMENDOUS FASCINATION WITH YOUR MIGHTY IMPERATOR. MAYBE NEXT THEE CAN TAKE ACTIONS THAT ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY. PAVE SOME ROADS. MAYBE TAR SOME ROOFTOPS. PEASANT.

SOON ALL THE WORLDS LIPS WILL BE QUIVERING WITH THE DIVINE NAME

[e.m.c^42]

Still don't know what exactly is happening with HR/Macca but it'll solve itself once he dies. Macca can be decided after that.

[BobMcBob]

I think we can conclude either HR or Macca is lying.

Anyone think of a way they can both be telling the truth?

In what way would Macca be lying here? At least about the fact that he got RB'ed?

I think it far more likely HR is lying (or embarrassingly badly mistaken) but what I'm really interested in is could they both be telling the truth?

Suppose HR jailed Macca for instance. Why would HR think that Macca could clear him. Is there any way HR could genuinely think Macca could clear him?

Being completely out of touch with reality? I can't really think of anything else.

[e.m.c^42]

Anyway, they are each claiming separate things, so very likely imo they are on different teams and this is not setup. HR claimed jailed, Macca claimed roleblocked - and if I understand correctly, the usual notifications are different for each one ("you were roleblocked" versus "you were jailed").