MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[jasnah]

this is gonna sound mean but does anyone care what ghug thinks this game? I never see him making a post anyone agrees with. nobody seems to care what he says he just gets townread for being objectionable

If he has any ability to play this game I haven't found any evidence yet, so no

[ghug]

Maybe HR really is the underdog, and learned he has no teammates, and that's why he unraveled and is now just trolling. If there's a SK who killed bozo (or I guess if aliens for some reason wasted their kill on him, or if vig didn't claim) then HR not being in the maf QT would explain why there was only one kill N1.

My reading of underdog is that they join the QT N1, but I see now how it could be read the other way.

##CALLGM Does the underdog join the mafia QT immediately after the first daykill, or is it delayed a day/night cycle?

[DemonRHK]

Maybe HR really is the underdog, and learned he has no teammates, and that's why he unraveled and is now just trolling. If there's a SK who killed bozo (or I guess if aliens for some reason wasted their kill on him, or if vig didn't claim) then HR not being in the maf QT would explain why there was only one kill N1.

Waitafuckingminute...

THERE WERE TWO UNDERDOGS IN THE DECK??

[ghug]

this is gonna sound mean but does anyone care what ghug thinks this game? I never see him making a post anyone agrees with. nobody seems to care what he says he just gets townread for being objectionable

If he has any ability to play this game I haven't found any evidence yet, so no

You're so friendly and self-aware.

[jasnah]

You're so friendly and self-aware.

Thanks I'm widely admired for my winning personality

[ghug]

You're so friendly and self-aware.

Thanks I'm widely admired for my winning personality

Whoa me too

[kgray]

Maybe HR really is the underdog, and learned he has no teammates, and that's why he unraveled and is now just trolling. If there's a SK who killed bozo (or I guess if aliens for some reason wasted their kill on him, or if vig didn't claim) then HR not being in the maf QT would explain why there was only one kill N1.

Waitafuckingminute...

THERE WERE TWO UNDERDOGS IN THE DECK??

Oh shit! I missed that! lmao so... what does this mean?

[DemonRHK]

Maybe HR really is the underdog, and learned he has no teammates, and that's why he unraveled and is now just trolling. If there's a SK who killed bozo (or I guess if aliens for some reason wasted their kill on him, or if vig didn't claim) then HR not being in the maf QT would explain why there was only one kill N1.

Waitafuckingminute...

THERE WERE TWO UNDERDOGS IN THE DECK??

Oh shit! I missed that! lmao so... what does this mean?

Just that the odds of it being in the game is higher and there could be two mafia JOATs. Hell, maybe the only two mafia even. So not much yet.

[brainbomb]

this is gonna sound mean but does anyone care what ghug thinks this game? I never see him making a post anyone agrees with. nobody seems to care what he says he just gets townread for being objectionable

If he has any ability to play this game I haven't found any evidence yet, so no

You're so friendly and self-aware.

what metric are we using to determine ability? ive mentioned winrates, playing at the highest level in tournament play, amount of games played, and general reputation. none of those seem to be the answer

[ghug]

If he has any ability to play this game I haven't found any evidence yet, so no

You're so friendly and self-aware.

what metric are we using to determine ability? ive mentioned winrates, playing at the highest level in tournament play, amount of games played, and general reputation. none of those seem to be the answer

Good players are like pornography. I know them when I see them, they undeniably turn me on, and they're deeply problematic.

[Bonatogether]

I ask to poke fun more than anything, but what about Maniac is scummier than what he did last two games as town?

When did celaph ever use emojis before when he was hunting? This is another major tonal difference

For one, what makes you think that a post starting "I ask to poke fun more than anything" is me hunting? Secondly, I'd like to draw your attention to a meta-comment on my posting style from last game. The tl;dr is that I want to be more jovial than I've been coming off as the past two games.

First, you're asking a legitimate question about someone's thought process regarding a third player. I think it's gathering information for scumhunting or an attempt to look like you are.

Second, why do you remember this? This feels kinda forced to bring it up when you're being pushed for it

[Maniac]

this is gonna sound mean but does anyone care what ghug thinks this game? I never see him making a post anyone agrees with. nobody seems to care what he says he just gets townread for being objectionable

If he has any ability to play this game I haven't found any evidence yet, so no

Without wishing to blow smoke up ghug arse or be disrespectful to Damo and HB, but I think ghug would've played the roles those guys rolled better.

[Maniac]

I ask to poke fun more than anything, but what about Maniac is scummier than what he did last two games as town?

The "scummy" things I remember from town!Maniac include terrible reasons for votes, avoiding questions, and refusing to explain his thought process. I do not ever remember him lecturing town about how they should have done as he suggested, let along cited the page for evidence. And his not-so-subtle chastising of Hamilton for how he responded to Ezio's claim is just patronizing and unhelpful. And this absolute trash reaction to EoD2:

unreal. Obviously HR looks awful here and deserves to die tomorrow

Also Ezio, Rdr, BobMcBob, demon, Kgray, you all share the blame for this omnishambles. Make your mind up between between the top wagons.

Like seriously? How dare he lecture Hamilton for CCing Ezio and then blame that group of people for anything that happened EoD2. Ridiculous.

typo

Patronising? Moi?

The more observant would know that I dislike indecisive people who could allow scum to manipulate votes. If you're town make up you minds between the two lead wagons at some point to minimise the chances of someone like HR tying the vote.

In all seriousness though @HB I didn't mean to patronise. When you asked for advice I gave it, and I asked now you know what Ezio's response is whether or not you would do the same again. If that is patronising I'm sorry. I honestly don't know if Kgray is seriously offended on your behalf or just faking something here.

[celaph]

Figuring that it's best to respond to both of kgray's questions at once.

My pre-webdip experience I played a game (Blood on the Clocktower) that was designed with more faking town PR claims (every town was town PR and scum are given fake claims). The best fake claims I've seen were so good because they came early. People know that someone who waited until late to say much can easily tailor their results to fit the current view. And they have plausible deniability when they go late because everyone is a target.

Now, I certainly don't expect Damo to have thought through all the above, but I think some of the core feelings would match up. I think scum Damo would be more acutely aware that the longer he waits on a generic PR claim the better his results have to be once he outs. He would know that he can cherry pick results so he would expect others to expect it. Whereas I think town Damo would be more concerned for himself. He had seen that Ezio has discarded town doctor leaving us low on protective roles.

In my experience with set-ups somewhat similar to this, a good fake claim can almost win the game on its own. That's why you plan them. At least listening to others, he is getting town credit for it so I'd say he's getting quite a lot. While I can only guess why I was chosen, I think it gives him a good answer to the question why out now. Speaking from personal experience, if you out yourself without a good reason, people will sus you regardless of your claim.

To answer the last question in your first post, I don't think that there was much pressure from others on him yet, though there is an indirect pressure as I outlined above. Lastly, I slightly disagree with the premise/wording in your last question. Everyone knows that Damo was claiming I'm not alien though I concede that I'm the only person that knows for sure that he's telling the truth. I think the reasons for scum trying to clear a townie exist here as always. Possibly he wants to pocket me (it worked with Bozo last game). He can always push me as mafia if he really needs to.

[celaph]

Why SK?

@damo why would SK lie about their discard like that? They wouldn't care about any pro-town or pro-scum benefits, it only would put a target on their back if they were outed.

Yep, true.

Btw celaph could be SK

While I wasn't dealt SK, I think if I'm dealt SK+X I pick SK every time regardless of X.

[BunnyGo]

Now celaph is composing private message, and Maniac is viewing one!

[BunnyGo]

Maybe HR really is the underdog, and learned he has no teammates, and that's why he unraveled and is now just trolling. If there's a SK who killed bozo (or I guess if aliens for some reason wasted their kill on him, or if vig didn't claim) then HR not being in the maf QT would explain why there was only one kill N1.

When would HR been able to have accessed their new powers in this theory? Could they have been the RBer that ghug claimed?

[BunnyGo]

Maybe HR really is the underdog, and learned he has no teammates, and that's why he unraveled and is now just trolling. If there's a SK who killed bozo (or I guess if aliens for some reason wasted their kill on him, or if vig didn't claim) then HR not being in the maf QT would explain why there was only one kill N1.

Waitafuckingminute...

THERE WERE TWO UNDERDOGS IN THE DECK??

... ... Wow...I totally missed that.

[ghug]

Maybe HR really is the underdog, and learned he has no teammates, and that's why he unraveled and is now just trolling. If there's a SK who killed bozo (or I guess if aliens for some reason wasted their kill on him, or if vig didn't claim) then HR not being in the maf QT would explain why there was only one kill N1.

Waitafuckingminute...

THERE WERE TWO UNDERDOGS IN THE DECK??

... ... Wow...I totally missed that.

And here I thought that post was you to begin with.

[BunnyGo]

Waitafuckingminute...

THERE WERE TWO UNDERDOGS IN THE DECK??

... ... Wow...I totally missed that.

And here I thought that post was you to begin with.

Whelp...good to know you've lumped Demon and I together.

Do you think people sending PMs are more likely to be PRs, VTs, or SK at night? Do you think aliens/mafia would bother or do it in QT? Do you think masons would bother or do it in QT?