MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[brainbomb]

there used to be swirling fears of unholy alliances between all non town teams to collectively erase town from having a wincon. once the bad guys know who isnt town they will work to erase towns majority. Thus why rolemadness and multiball are crazy swingy games that are decides mostly by night actions and rarely by actual solving.

[kgray]

I was going to move off of Maniac because he'd made posts I liked overnight, and I wanted to irritate kgray a little bit.

For shits and ghuggles? Was there a reason you thought irritating her would help something? Or just your own amusement?

If you want to be my therapist for a second, there was probably some grounding catharsis in irritating the person who'd been irritating me, allowing me to focus clearheaded on the game.

I don't think you'd be a very good therapist though, so I'm going with shits and ghuggles.

I don't think that vote for me irritated me nearly as much as me insisting you're scum irritated you

[Bonatogether]

I just want you to explain in more detail what you think is happening here. I get that you think it's a tonal difference, and I looked at his past 2 games and found very few instances of him using emojis, so I get why you think it's unusual.

I'm asking you to try to get in his head and convince me exactly why what he's doing comes from a scum mindset.

I think he is more confident, since if he's scum, he can still easily replicate his town play by hunting for the other team. He simply has to do his normal stuff on people who aren't his teammates, and he'll still get legit results, since there's still a whole other scumteam out there for him to be looking for. I don't know why he'd go to the more jokey tone, but it might be that people figured him out last game for being too serious and such and so is trying to compensate.

[Bonatogether]

I just want you to explain in more detail what you think is happening here. I get that you think it's a tonal difference, and I looked at his past 2 games and found very few instances of him using emojis, so I get why you think it's unusual.

I'm asking you to try to get in his head and convince me exactly why what he's doing comes from a scum mindset.

I think he is more confident, since if he's scum, he can still easily replicate his town play by hunting for the other team. He simply has to do his normal stuff on people who aren't his teammates, and he'll still get legit results, since there's still a whole other scumteam out there for him to be looking for. I don't know why he'd go to the more jokey tone, but it might be that people figured him out last game for being too serious and such and so is trying to compensate.

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[Hamilton Brian]

Sometimes I have to rewrite things so I can get a better handle on them.

HR: Why is RDR your example since you
a) scumread him D1
b) they haven't done anything helpful today
c) RDR has softed a PR at night for no reason
d) disappears

Why are you no longer scum-reading them?

Kgray:
a) he's obviously town (obvtown) am I screwing up the context
b)only says that when he is town
c) he's playing like I expect him to as town
d) I don't tryst people saying he was saved

And then following your line of thinking Donny,
a)RDR is not on the same scum team as HR
b) Kgray townreading RDR made HR snap
c) HR wouldn't have been so upset if RDR is on the same team.


I guess a lot of this depends on the assumption that kgray is town, has incontrovertible evidence that RDR is town. I don't think the evidence Kgray provided is solid; it's all gut unless there's another connection that we're not allowed to know.

[ghug]

For shits and ghuggles? Was there a reason you thought irritating her would help something? Or just your own amusement?

If you want to be my therapist for a second, there was probably some grounding catharsis in irritating the person who'd been irritating me, allowing me to focus clearheaded on the game.

I don't think you'd be a very good therapist though, so I'm going with shits and ghuggles.

I don't think that vote for me irritated me nearly as much as me insisting you're scum irritated you

You've been insinuating I'm scum all game because I irritated you so much by voting for you at the beginning

[BunnyGo]

I was going to move off of Maniac because he'd made posts I liked overnight, and I wanted to irritate kgray a little bit.

For shits and ghuggles? Was there a reason you thought irritating her would help something? Or just your own amusement?

If you want to be my therapist for a second, there was probably some grounding catharsis in irritating the person who'd been irritating me, allowing me to focus clearheaded on the game.

I don't think you'd be a very good therapist though, so I'm going with shits and ghuggles.

I love armchair psychology. But you’re correct, I’m a shitty therapist. I’m better at interviewing people, which is a different sort of psychological analysis.

[kgray]

I just want you to explain in more detail what you think is happening here. I get that you think it's a tonal difference, and I looked at his past 2 games and found very few instances of him using emojis, so I get why you think it's unusual.

I'm asking you to try to get in his head and convince me exactly why what he's doing comes from a scum mindset.

I think he is more confident, since if he's scum, he can still easily replicate his town play by hunting for the other team. He simply has to do his normal stuff on people who aren't his teammates, and he'll still get legit results, since there's still a whole other scumteam out there for him to be looking for. I don't know why he'd go to the more jokey tone, but it might be that people figured him out last game for being too serious and such and so is trying to compensate.

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Thanks. I actually though he was less confident this game, and that is part of what caused me to scumread him, but I see what you're saying.

I'm not sure I see a good reason for scum!celaph to tease me after I come out and try to save him and declare him part of my towncore (which, to be fair, was probably premature. I think he's town but not in my towncore). I think that scum wouldn't interact with me that way, it feels more like he see's that I'm finally reading him right and is therefore more comfortable to make jokes with me.

Can you do these tonal reads on some other people? Maybe emc and Bunny?

[Bonatogether]

I just want you to explain in more detail what you think is happening here. I get that you think it's a tonal difference, and I looked at his past 2 games and found very few instances of him using emojis, so I get why you think it's unusual.

I'm asking you to try to get in his head and convince me exactly why what he's doing comes from a scum mindset.

I think he is more confident, since if he's scum, he can still easily replicate his town play by hunting for the other team. He simply has to do his normal stuff on people who aren't his teammates, and he'll still get legit results, since there's still a whole other scumteam out there for him to be looking for. I don't know why he'd go to the more jokey tone, but it might be that people figured him out last game for being too serious and such and so is trying to compensate.

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Thanks. I actually though he was less confident this game, and that is part of what caused me to scumread him, but I see what you're saying.

I'm not sure I see a good reason for scum!celaph to tease me after I come out and try to save him and declare him part of my towncore (which, to be fair, was probably premature. I think he's town but not in my towncore). I think that scum wouldn't interact with me that way, it feels more like he see's that I'm finally reading him right and is therefore more comfortable to make jokes with me.

Can you do these tonal reads on some other people? Maybe emc and Bunny?

Yeah, sure. I can do that before EoN.

[celaph]

@celaph why did you want to wagon damo when he claimed a non-alien scan of you?

It's the argument that HR put forth and while the author is dubious I mind it less while I accept the premises. Objectively speaking, town Damo shouldn't out there especially while really only under pressure from Bona. And while I think that there has been a lot of town incompetency, I don't expect to see it from him. He showed a good awareness last game and I don't recall him really crumbling as scum even the day we voted him out M62.

[Donny Dude]

Sometimes I have to rewrite things so I can get a better handle on them.

HR: Why is RDR your example since you
a) scumread him D1
b) they haven't done anything helpful today
c) RDR has softed a PR at night for no reason
d) disappears

Why are you no longer scum-reading them?

Kgray:
a) he's obviously town (obvtown) am I screwing up the context
b)only says that when he is town
c) he's playing like I expect him to as town
d) I don't tryst people saying he was saved

And then following your line of thinking Donny,
a)RDR is not on the same scum team as HR
b) Kgray townreading RDR made HR snap
c) HR wouldn't have been so upset if RDR is on the same team.


I guess a lot of this depends on the assumption that kgray is town, has incontrovertible evidence that RDR is town. I don't think the evidence Kgray provided is solid; it's all gut unless there's another connection that we're not allowed to know.

I town read kgray. Now, she was defending rdr at the time. It could be that rdr is scum, but hr's reaction to it makes me believe if they are both scum then they are not on the same team. I agree that what kgray said is not solid, but she claims to be his spokesperson, which would be risky for two scum to claim. So, that is unlikely. Plus, it outs them both if scum. Why would scum hr be so frustrated over this townread? It may not make sense but to vote and then end on kgray is a strong reaction, which to me tells me that he knows something of rdr's alignment that is not his alignment.
Now, it could be hr is frustrated because kgray townreads his teammate, but then why did he have such a reaction?

[kgray]

If you want to be my therapist for a second, there was probably some grounding catharsis in irritating the person who'd been irritating me, allowing me to focus clearheaded on the game.

I don't think you'd be a very good therapist though, so I'm going with shits and ghuggles.

I don't think that vote for me irritated me nearly as much as me insisting you're scum irritated you

You've been insinuating I'm scum all game because I irritated you so much by voting for you at the beginning

Yeah, but I said *that* vote (the D2 one) didn't irritate me that much. The one at the beginning was garbage and you know it.

[ghug]

I don't think that vote for me irritated me nearly as much as me insisting you're scum irritated you

You've been insinuating I'm scum all game because I irritated you so much by voting for you at the beginning

Yeah, but I said *that* vote (the D2 one) didn't irritate me that much. The one at the beginning was garbage and you know it.

It elicited a very strong response, so I'm not unhappy with it.

[kgray]

@celaph why did you want to wagon damo when he claimed a non-alien scan of you?

It's the argument that HR put forth and while the author is dubious I mind it less while I accept the premises. Objectively speaking, town Damo shouldn't out there especially while really only under pressure from Bona. And while I think that there has been a lot of town incompetency, I don't expect to see it from him. He showed a good awareness last game and I don't recall him really crumbling as scum even the day we voted him out M62.

Okay, so I remember you saying that you thought damo was more likely to have planned this than accidentally blurted it out. But why would scum!damo have planned this? What could he be getting out of it? Why does he choose you? Do you agree with the part of HR's argument that damo was under a lot of pressure N1 and needed to get towncred?

[kgray]

@celaph why did you want to wagon damo when he claimed a non-alien scan of you?

It's the argument that HR put forth and while the author is dubious I mind it less while I accept the premises. Objectively speaking, town Damo shouldn't out there especially while really only under pressure from Bona. And while I think that there has been a lot of town incompetency, I don't expect to see it from him. He showed a good awareness last game and I don't recall him really crumbling as scum even the day we voted him out M62.

Okay, so I remember you saying that you thought damo was more likely to have planned this than accidentally blurted it out. But why would scum!damo have planned this? What could he be getting out of it? Why does he choose you? Do you agree with the part of HR's argument that damo was under a lot of pressure N1 and needed to get towncred?

Basically, do what bona did please and get in scum!damo's head. What are the specific circumstances that damo does exactly what he does? If you're town, you're the only one who knows for sure that damo was trying to clear you of being an alien. Why does he do that?

[celaph]

Oof I haaaaate this post

I ask to poke fun more than anything, but what about Maniac is scummier than what he did last two games as town?

When did celaph ever use emojis before when he was hunting? This is another major tonal difference

For one, what makes you think that a post starting "I ask to poke fun more than anything" is me hunting? Secondly, I'd like to draw your attention to a meta-comment on my posting style from last game. The tl;dr is that I want to be more jovial than I've been coming off as the past two games.

[celaph]

I ask to poke fun more than anything, but what about Maniac is scummier than what he did last two games as town?

When did celaph ever use emojis before when he was hunting? This is another major tonal difference

celaph was typing something with his last refresh a minute after this post, but now he's offline.

I don't know how the offline/online system works, but if I've been offline in the past 2 hours I was looking at peterbot.

[kgray]

Maybe HR really is the underdog, and learned he has no teammates, and that's why he unraveled and is now just trolling. If there's a SK who killed bozo (or I guess if aliens for some reason wasted their kill on him, or if vig didn't claim) then HR not being in the maf QT would explain why there was only one kill N1.

[damo666]

Ezio SK ?

Why SK?

@damo why would SK lie about their discard like that? They wouldn't care about any pro-town or pro-scum benefits, it only would put a target on their back if they were outed.

Yep, true.

Btw celaph could be SK

[jasnah]

@ ghug Can you read?

@ Donny dude thought process: 'x's brain is not as smooth as mine..must be a scum getting QT insider info'