MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Hamilton Brian]

Im having ppl over for super bowl. if i die its not because of my reads. but ill be killing HR tomorrow if alive.

i wont be on much at all today so gl folks :)

Have fun, bb!

[DemonRHK]

Im having ppl over for super bowl. if i die its not because of my reads. but ill be killing HR tomorrow if alive.

i wont be on much at all today so gl folks :)

I have a friend that's a Bucs fan. posted a picture of a referee shirt surrounded by fake money in a pentagram

[BunnyGo]

No, cel was my top read prior to HR conveniently forgetting there are multiple scumteams and then blowing up when scumread for it.

Can you point me to where he forgot that? I’m trying to figure out his mental state for the collapse. I wonder if we can backsolve some stuff from it.

I'm mostly talking about from the point HR hammered kgray after they joined on the wagon. HR is spouting secret info and knowing things like they're gonna stroll into the garden like McCarthy and yank a case out of a pumpkin.

Yeah. Ok. I’ll have to do my own research later (assuming I survive). If I don’t survive, I’m deputizing you and brainbomb to dig into it. He didn’t collapse for nothing. Something triggered him.

[DemonRHK]

Can you point me to where he forgot that? I’m trying to figure out his mental state for the collapse. I wonder if we can backsolve some stuff from it.

I'm mostly talking about from the point HR hammered kgray after they joined on the wagon. HR is spouting secret info and knowing things like they're gonna stroll into the garden like McCarthy and yank a case out of a pumpkin.

Yeah. Ok. I’ll have to do my own research later (assuming I survive). If I don’t survive, I’m deputizing you and brainbomb to dig into it. He didn’t collapse for nothing. Something triggered him.

Either way it doesn't matter. A longstanding saying on WebDip I still hold to this day.

You tie.
YOU DIE.

[kgray]

Damo voted celaph to confirm if there's a psychotrooper in play. And despite me supporting that, I think it was pretty misguided for everyone *except* damo, because presumably damo is the only person who can trust himself if he's town, and celaph's flip wouldn't confirm the existence of the psychotrooper to anyone but damo.

Makes it worse we didn't get anything substantiative from Day 2. From your newly-acquired opinion of Celaph, presuming Damo is true, then there "might" not be the psychotrooper?

Are you saying "misguided" because really only Damo had real cause to vote Celaph (for information purposes)? I think that's my takeaway.

Yeah, with my read of celaph then the logical explanation is that damo is town and celaph really is whatever damo's scan says he is, and we don't have the psychotrooper. Or I'm wrong about celaph and it's the exact opposite...

Yes, misguided because flipping celaph doesn't confirm to anyone but damo (and his potential scumbuddies) if there's a psychotrooper.

If town discarded psychotrooper they need to tell us, but I think they'd already have done so.

[BunnyGo]

I'm mostly talking about from the point HR hammered kgray after they joined on the wagon. HR is spouting secret info and knowing things like they're gonna stroll into the garden like McCarthy and yank a case out of a pumpkin.

Yeah. Ok. I’ll have to do my own research later (assuming I survive). If I don’t survive, I’m deputizing you and brainbomb to dig into it. He didn’t collapse for nothing. Something triggered him.

Either way it doesn't matter. A longstanding saying on WebDip I still hold to this day.

You tie.
YOU DIE.

But why?

Why should he have done this?

We find more people. Aim bigger. Gotta catch them all.

[Hamilton Brian]

I think I'm bugged with the blanket "we're killing so and so tomorrow." I get it on an emotional level, but it gives scum the incentive just to do nothing and let town do the dirty work.

Is there a downside to ensuring a competitive counterwagon for D3?

[DemonRHK]

Damo voted celaph to confirm if there's a psychotrooper in play. And despite me supporting that, I think it was pretty misguided for everyone *except* damo, because presumably damo is the only person who can trust himself if he's town, and celaph's flip wouldn't confirm the existence of the psychotrooper to anyone but damo.

Makes it worse we didn't get anything substantiative from Day 2. From your newly-acquired opinion of Celaph, presuming Damo is true, then there "might" not be the psychotrooper?

Are you saying "misguided" because really only Damo had real cause to vote Celaph (for information purposes)? I think that's my takeaway.

Yeah, with my read of celaph then the logical explanation is that damo is town and celaph really is whatever damo's scan says he is, and we don't have the psychotrooper. Or I'm wrong about celaph and it's the exact opposite...

Yes, misguided because flipping celaph doesn't confirm to anyone but damo (and his potential scumbuddies) if there's a psychotrooper.

If town discarded psychotrooper they need to tell us, but I think they'd already have done so.

With so few alien discards being claimed, I am a tad worried this is like a 5 member alien team and we are fuuuuuuucked

[DemonRHK]

I think I'm bugged with the blanket "we're killing so and so tomorrow." I get it on an emotional level, but it gives scum the incentive just to do nothing and let town do the dirty work.

Is there a downside to ensuring a competitive counterwagon for D3?

Scumsaves

[kgray]

Yeah. Ok. I’ll have to do my own research later (assuming I survive). If I don’t survive, I’m deputizing you and brainbomb to dig into it. He didn’t collapse for nothing. Something triggered him.

Either way it doesn't matter. A longstanding saying on WebDip I still hold to this day.

You tie.
YOU DIE.

But why?

Why should he have done this?

We find more people. Aim bigger. Gotta catch them all.

It's not *just* about the tie!!

[Hamilton Brian]

I think Bunny and I were thinking the same thing simultaneously.

[Hamilton Brian]

With so few alien discards being claimed, I am a tad worried this is like a 5 member alien team and we are fuuuuuuucked

Why 5 specifically?

[BunnyGo]

I think I'm bugged with the blanket "we're killing so and so tomorrow." I get it on an emotional level, but it gives scum the incentive just to do nothing and let town do the dirty work.

Is there a downside to ensuring a competitive counterwagon for D3?

Scumsaves

Tedium

[kgray]

I think I'm bugged with the blanket "we're killing so and so tomorrow." I get it on an emotional level, but it gives scum the incentive just to do nothing and let town do the dirty work.

Is there a downside to ensuring a competitive counterwagon for D3?

Killing HR isn't dirty work, and town should be thrilled to do it if he's not vig'd. We don't need competitive wagons, we need to hammer him immediately and not let the game stall for 2 days.

[BunnyGo]

Either way it doesn't matter. A longstanding saying on WebDip I still hold to this day.

You tie.
YOU DIE.

But why?

Why should he have done this?

We find more people. Aim bigger. Gotta catch them all.

It's not *just* about the tie!!

That’s my point. Why did Hellenic collapse? What prompted it? He didn’t have to do Jack shirt. Just sit back and let us kill celaph/ezio. Instead he maybe stopped a miskill AND got himself dead. WHY?

[kgray]

With so few alien discards being claimed, I am a tad worried this is like a 5 member alien team and we are fuuuuuuucked

It definitely could be, but at least they only have 1 NK....

[Hamilton Brian]

Scumsaves

Right, but...everyone piles on. It's a safety net. No VCA. I guess the scale needs to be tilted more toward eliminating confirmed scum as that's best for town.

[kgray]

But why?

Why should he have done this?

We find more people. Aim bigger. Gotta catch them all.

It's not *just* about the tie!!

That’s my point. Why did Hellenic collapse? What prompted it? He didn’t have to do Jack shirt. Just sit back and let us kill celaph/ezio. Instead he maybe stopped a miskill AND got himself dead. WHY?

Don't know, but if tying isn't enough to get you killed then lying about having mechanically confirmed scum absolutely is.

[ghug]

I assume HR saved celaph which means they are on the same scum team but I don't know which.

Assuming this is correct Psychowhatsit is in play unless celaph is mafia goon but given the number of goon discard claims that's less probable.

Damo is the Vanilla Cop. Right?

Y'all's claim list has him as Conspiracy Theorist, but that's very wrong. He never says that, in fact, he says:

celaph is prob town, very probably not alien and only 1 possible Maf role

and

LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU

celaph is NOT alien

the odds of him being mafia are quite low

I know this because I HAVE INFO YOU DO NOT

PS I am not an alien

I have now painted a target on myself for tonight. Thanks.

Notice he says "probably not mafia", and "Only 1 mafia role". He is referring to the Mafia Goon, which appears as "Vanilla" to the Vanilla Cop. He knows it's not alien, because none of them are vanilla.


I can not be the only person who noticed this?

Perhaps, yeah. I had completely missed that if that's the case though. I think others did too.

I disagree, but let's discuss it tomorrow.

[DemonRHK]

Scumsaves

Right, but...everyone piles on. It's a safety net. No VCA. I guess the scale needs to be tilted more toward eliminating confirmed scum as that's best for town.

What scum in their right fucking minds outs themselves so badly by attempting to save HR?