MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

Of course I lied about my discard. Are you guys fucking kidding me?

You don’t strike me as a “hero” type town player. Someone who has to WIN THE GAME MYSELF! And SHAKE THINGS UP! You advocate NK on D1 so that town doesn’t hurt itself. No town would out our doctor like this.

[BunnyGo]

Ok, real talk to both of our scumteams:

Town is doing terribly right now. You're best off targeting each other.

This.

[BunnyGo]

Well congrats to town for saving me. I was obviously not paying attention to the game near EoD. I would have either made an explanation, posted something, and at the very least voted celaph at EoD to push to save myself from potential kill.

Now, I have a very simple question: WTF ARE YOU ALL THINKING?

OK. So, what's the mafia upside to putting myself in a position where I can get easily caught in a lie about *town* roles? Attempting to mislead mafia about the power of town roles seems far more likely.

There are 3 situations that can happen.
1: There is a doctor and I've convinced everyone there isn't so mafia disrespect the potential doctor and it gets us a save on an outed PR. The doctor only needs to realize this and *not* say anything.
2: There is not a doctor(and nobody else was shown the doctor card) and I've told mafia something that is actually true. Downside.
3 There is not a doctor but someone else was shown the doctor card. I am at risk of them claiming their discard.

So, what's the upside for town?

#1: I get to see how people react to learning about the town doctor role. This gave me the townclear of Bona. His reaction was perfect with good analysis coming from it. I specifically asked Ghug and Kgray about it b/c I expected them to give good insight.
From ghug it was the insight about my potential role: he knows how mechanically inclined about mafia and would make ppl think I had an interesting role.
From kgray it was insight about the setup. I expected kgray to say that they thought the SK targeted a mafia member, so the SK probably knows who at least one mafia is. The mafia had a doctor and town no longer did, so of course a mafia was defended.

#2: It had the upside of protecting a potential town doctor and getting mafia to overplay their hand.

#3: it makes me appear to be a target for being a huge/cool PR. Mafia become super likely to target me with the NK and I bet town will be happy with the result when they do.

I was planning on making the post admitting I was full of shit *just* before EoN.

The bigger issue for y'all is this:
What is the possible scum motivation for me to lie about this? Like, actually. Can anyone give any actual scum motivation for a play like this?

Why the fuck didn’t you claim sooner?! Shoot this mofo, vig!!

[brainbomb]

im watching Mr Robot and I love this show

[BunnyGo]

HR would only tie it there if both ezio and celaph were town so we mis elim both trying to find who he saved.

Weak. He could have had one eliminated yesterday and ezio would still have been on the block

[Bonatogether]

To play a game

Cool. What's the game?

Wingspan! I get to play with my parents every other Saturday

Nice

[brainbomb]

HR would only tie it there if both ezio and celaph were town so we mis elim both trying to find who he saved.

Weak. He could have had one eliminated yesterday and ezio would still have been on the block

ok go ahead and do whatever you like

[kgray]

HR - kgray's mechanically confirmed scum, and lovers with RHK, something about it not being a scan he could have if he were a Psychotrooper

In case we make it to the next vote and HR is still alive, I want to emphasize that there is no possible way that HR could have any information on me that would confirm me as scum, regardless of if there's a psychotrooper. It is literally impossible that HR has this information. Do not let him live past the next vote.

[BunnyGo]

why did ezio become a wagon, walk me thru it like im dumb

Ezio claimed pitched doctor.
Said “figure out why”
Then refused to answer questions
Then Hamilton said “somebody lied about pitch claim. I’m not sure what to do”
Ezio posted after that. Did nothing
Then Hamilton said “it you ezio!”
EZio was online after that. Posted nothing.

[kgray]

So then what the fuck were you, kgray, and Demon doing all of d1?

BEING CONFUSED TOWN WITH SIMILAR READS OR 1 scum pocketing!

But confused town who followed each other through 4 wagons over 2 days? It's janky

The earlier ghug wagon doesn't count, and I've continuously explained why I believe so many of us ended up on the same wagons, and you have yet to consider that you yourself were also on these wagons.

[brainbomb]

why did ezio become a wagon, walk me thru it like im dumb

Ezio claimed pitched doctor.
Said “figure out why”
Then refused to answer questions
Then Hamilton said “somebody lied about pitch claim. I’m not sure what to do”
Ezio posted after that. Did nothing
Then Hamilton said “it you ezio!”
EZio was online after that. Posted nothing.

what is a pitch claim
what kind of doctor
which teams doctor
what did hamilton hard claim
why did ezio try to out a doctor
why werent we policying ezio with 16 ppl on him if true
what scenario has hb and ezio as both town

[BunnyGo]

nobody interactin wit me. thats depressin

Hi!

[BunnyGo]

HR would only tie it there if both ezio and celaph were town so we mis elim both trying to find who he saved.

Weak. He could have had one eliminated yesterday and ezio would still have been on the block

ok go ahead and do whatever you like

I can’t figure out motivations to tie here.

HR was takin heat. Ok, but still had fight.

Celaph was going to die.

Ezio was taking pressure.

Why tie if they aren’t his teammates?

[ghug]

Discards:

Bob: Mafia compulsive hider
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Mafia RB
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK: town
Donny: Enabler
emc: town
Ezio: Town Doctor
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton: chooses not to answer
HR: Mafia Loud Role Cop
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien Bulletproof Lover
Macca:
Mania​c: Commuter
rdrivera: town
Vecna: VT

Other:
Brain - mason with kgray and RHK (retracted)
HR - kgray's mechanically confirmed scum, and lovers with RHK, something about it not being a scan he could have if he were a Psychotrooper
HB - either is or discarded the town doctor (which Ezio claimed)
damo - conspiracy theorist, scanned celaph non-alien N1
celaph - VT
Bunny - important town role (one of cop, conspiracy theorist, jailor, mason, vigilante, clairvoyant)
ghug - roleblocked N1

Bunny didn’t specify PR. I would have considered several others important too. I think I ranked parrot the top town role (can just spam on doctors. Or on scum. Get lots of self interactions. Or on an investigative and figure out the psycho at once. Parrot is fucking OP!!)

Bona gave you a list and you confirmed you were in it.

[brainbomb]

Im gonna go play dnd and make love to my wife

[Hamilton Brian]

Imagine this should be a very busy night for any PRs out there.

[Hamilton Brian]

Im gonna go play dnd and make love to my wife

Concurrently?

[BunnyGo]

why did ezio become a wagon, walk me thru it like im dumb

Ezio claimed pitched doctor.
Said “figure out why”
Then refused to answer questions
Then Hamilton said “somebody lied about pitch claim. I’m not sure what to do”
Ezio posted after that. Did nothing
Then Hamilton said “it you ezio!”
EZio was online after that. Posted nothing.

what is a pitch claim
what kind of doctor
which teams doctor
what did hamilton hard claim
why did ezio try to out a doctor
why werent we policying ezio with 16 ppl on him if true
what scenario has hb and ezio as both town

1) he claimed the card he pitched
2) “town doctor” when asked to clarify, refused
4) Hamilton hard claimed knowledge that ezio was lying
5) I have no ficking clue. That’s why I wanted story time for morons too. Great idea.
6) ezio is a HERO; the type of player that refuses to sit still and take the win. Doesn’t trust teammates. Has to carry them and be weird. Doesn’t think about the trust issues that raises.

Hamilton would have to be also. I don’t see that from either of them. I also don’t see what motivations and “saving town” aspirations Hamilton would have here. Especially with his taunting posts after EOD. That seemed like a confession.

[kgray]

From kgray it was insight about the setup. I expected kgray to say that they thought the SK targeted a mafia member, so the SK probably knows who at least one mafia is. The mafia had a doctor and town no longer did, so of course a mafia was defended.

What are you even saying here? I don't think I said anything at all about the setup based on your claim. What does it matter what you expected me to say? Why would you expect me to say that? What could it possibly tell you about my alignment?

What is the possible scum motivation for me to lie about this? Like, actually. Can anyone give any actual scum motivation for a play like this?

Uh because of what literally happened. You were fishing for information about the town doc and now you get to say "what scum would ever be so obvious?"

[BunnyGo]

Discards:

Bob: Mafia compulsive hider
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Mafia RB
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK: town
Donny: Enabler
emc: town
Ezio: Town Doctor
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton: chooses not to answer
HR: Mafia Loud Role Cop
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien Bulletproof Lover
Macca:
Mania​c: Commuter
rdrivera: town
Vecna: VT

Other:
Brain - mason with kgray and RHK (retracted)
HR - kgray's mechanically confirmed scum, and lovers with RHK, something about it not being a scan he could have if he were a Psychotrooper
HB - either is or discarded the town doctor (which Ezio claimed)
damo - conspiracy theorist, scanned celaph non-alien N1
celaph - VT
Bunny - important town role (one of cop, conspiracy theorist, jailor, mason, vigilante, clairvoyant)
ghug - roleblocked N1

Bunny didn’t specify PR. I would have considered several others important too. I think I ranked parrot the top town role (can just spam on doctors. Or on scum. Get lots of self interactions. Or on an investigative and figure out the psycho at once. Parrot is fucking OP!!)

Bona gave you a list and you confirmed you were in it.

Go read it. I said to get the fuck off.