MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[DemonRHK]

Who should I target tonight?

The solver in me wants to say whoever you think is more towny of myself and kgray.

The realist in me says there is a chance one or both of us won't make D3.

You gotta make your own pro/cons. Looking for real aliens is likely a better use of your time than a scan legitamacy confirmation.

[e.m.c^42]

You jealous you can't join us? ;)

I can be a lover all on my own.

Nobody wants to hear about that ghug.

I certainly do.

[Donny Dude]

Although vigging hr is a decent option, I think ezio is a better option as it clears up the doc and there is a chance he might be the mafia doctor right? I think ezio lack of a defense means that there is a mafia doctor and he might be that.

[damo666]

Although vigging hr is a decent option, I think ezio is a better option as it clears up the doc and there is a chance he might be the mafia doctor right? I think ezio lack of a defense means that there is a mafia doctor and he might be that.

Any of HR cel or Ezio would help

[kgray]

Who should I target tonight?

The solver in me wants to say whoever you think is more towny of myself and kgray.

The realist in me says there is a chance one or both of us won't make D3.

You gotta make your own pro/cons. Looking for real aliens is likely a better use of your time than a scan legitamacy confirmation.

What? Why should he waste his scan on us?

[kgray]

Although vigging hr is a decent option, I think ezio is a better option as it clears up the doc and there is a chance he might be the mafia doctor right? I think ezio lack of a defense means that there is a mafia doctor and he might be that.

Any of HR cel or Ezio would help

DO NOT VIG CELAPH

[DemonRHK]

Who should I target tonight?

The solver in me wants to say whoever you think is more towny of myself and kgray.

The realist in me says there is a chance one or both of us won't make D3.

You gotta make your own pro/cons. Looking for real aliens is likely a better use of your time than a scan legitamacy confirmation.

What? Why should he waste his scan on us?

legitimacy confirmation of the scans. It's not a good idea, but I'm selfish

[kgray]

The solver in me wants to say whoever you think is more towny of myself and kgray.

The realist in me says there is a chance one or both of us won't make D3.

You gotta make your own pro/cons. Looking for real aliens is likely a better use of your time than a scan legitamacy confirmation.

What? Why should he waste his scan on us?

legitimacy confirmation of the scans. It's not a good idea, but I'm selfish

Ohhh for the psychotrooper?

[DemonRHK]

If the two scumteams want to unfuck the HR/Ezio/Cel dilemma with any one of the three not on their respective teams I will spare you all '50 Shakespearian shades of ghug and emc'

[ghug]

Also, HOT TAKE - HR is the underdog for having no scumreads D1 so we couldn't backtrack on a flip for a tonality shift.

I'd totally buy that. His lack of viable scumreads is terrible, and was bothering me even at EoD1.

It's also the only way I could see celaph possibly being scum with HR, as HR voted to kill celaph trying to break a tie D1 (though I guess there's an outside shot he was actually trying to tie it then too).

That'd also fit nicely into my HR/kgray conspiracy theory, as celaph could have made the final post to give her some cred. Hehehe

[ghug]

Although vigging hr is a decent option, I think ezio is a better option as it clears up the doc and there is a chance he might be the mafia doctor right? I think ezio lack of a defense means that there is a mafia doctor and he might be that.

I think HR is the best vig option because we're almost certainly going to hammer him tomorrow if he's alive, and that's a wasted day.

[kgray]

Also, HOT TAKE - HR is the underdog for having no scumreads D1 so we couldn't backtrack on a flip for a tonality shift.

I'd totally buy that. His lack of viable scumreads is terrible, and was bothering me even at EoD1.

It's also the only way I could see celaph possibly being scum with HR, as HR voted to kill celaph trying to break a tie D1 (though I guess there's an outside shot he was actually trying to tie it then too).

That'd also fit nicely into my HR/kgray conspiracy theory, as celaph could have made the final post to give her some cred. Hehehe

hehehehehehehehehe

[ghug]

I'd totally buy that. His lack of viable scumreads is terrible, and was bothering me even at EoD1.

It's also the only way I could see celaph possibly being scum with HR, as HR voted to kill celaph trying to break a tie D1 (though I guess there's an outside shot he was actually trying to tie it then too).

That'd also fit nicely into my HR/kgray conspiracy theory, as celaph could have made the final post to give her some cred. Hehehe

hehehehehehehehehe

Look at that she's mad I caught her

[kgray]

It's also the only way I could see celaph possibly being scum with HR, as HR voted to kill celaph trying to break a tie D1 (though I guess there's an outside shot he was actually trying to tie it then too).

That'd also fit nicely into my HR/kgray conspiracy theory, as celaph could have made the final post to give her some cred. Hehehe

hehehehehehehehehe

Look at that she's mad I caught her

Do you wanna go after HR?

[Donny Dude]

I've been writing and haven't actually read the thread since my last message. I just refreshed the votes and saw that a lot has changed. Figured it was better to send this now before I catch back up. I want to vote for someone out of Ezio, damo, Macca, Maniac, and emc. With those first two being more preferred than the rest.

Ezio has showed a lot more competence this day, but it feels like he is hiding behind it to make his plays. A lot of his work seems to be focused on theoretical arguments about how scum should be playing while not seeming to apply those to his reads. For example, he talks about how scum should be hunting, yet isn't voting for someone who is hunting. When talking about my play the line "(and this early in the game chance has it he's town)" actually touches very little on anything that has been said. What does he think of the arguments?

Regarding Damo, I disagree with kgray's characterization of Damo as one whose town votes are all over the place. Looking at last game I think Damo's votes were actually relatively easy to follow if sometimes misplaced. He voted Bozo after Bozo had done annoyingly changed the colors of the text in his messages. He voted Maniac because he has said he was going to follow weird rules in a rigid and scummy way. D2 he voted me because RHK had scumread me D1 and then died D1. Not only were his votes justified, but they tracked the flow of conversation well and in a way that I see less here.

Macca hasn't seriously dug into any of the things that they have been commenting on. They've asked some decent questions and posted immediate reactions to what's happening, but it hasn't really manifested itself as decent reads. The one reads list they have posted has been rather superficial and mirrored existing sentiments heavily.

I've talked a fair amount about why I think Maniac may be scum, but I think that he's moved more towards the Maniac I remember today and has thus slid towards null. I don't entirely disagree with Ezio's argument that Maniac wouldn't target kgray here, but it seems to be based on very little without backing in scum Maniac games.

EMC feels like a particularly meh wagon. There is nothing to like, but there is also nothing to hate. @vecna, you've had good reads on emc the past two games, what are your thoughts now?

I've heard some people throw out Jasnah's name as a wagon option. I'm not particularly a fan of this. She has certainly been less insightful today and overall not explained her reads, but she was insightful D1 and her behavior today I think is well explained by her own statement that she was going to be inactive today.

##vote Ezio

Hate it so much, but more likely to get killed that isn't me.

What changed between willing to vote for ezio and the hating having to vote for him?

[kgray]

celaph could have made the final post to give her some cred

Actually, explain this please. I don't understand what you're implying.

[Donny Dude]

Although vigging hr is a decent option, I think ezio is a better option as it clears up the doc and there is a chance he might be the mafia doctor right? I think ezio lack of a defense means that there is a mafia doctor and he might be that.

I think HR is the best vig option because we're almost certainly going to hammer him tomorrow if he's alive, and that's a wasted day.

Ghug, You don't think scum will want to save him?

[Donny Dude]

I've been writing and haven't actually read the thread since my last message. I just refreshed the votes and saw that a lot has changed. Figured it was better to send this now before I catch back up. I want to vote for someone out of Ezio, damo, Macca, Maniac, and emc. With those first two being more preferred than the rest.

Ezio has showed a lot more competence this day, but it feels like he is hiding behind it to make his plays. A lot of his work seems to be focused on theoretical arguments about how scum should be playing while not seeming to apply those to his reads. For example, he talks about how scum should be hunting, yet isn't voting for someone who is hunting. When talking about my play the line "(and this early in the game chance has it he's town)" actually touches very little on anything that has been said. What does he think of the arguments?

Regarding Damo, I disagree with kgray's characterization of Damo as one whose town votes are all over the place. Looking at last game I think Damo's votes were actually relatively easy to follow if sometimes misplaced. He voted Bozo after Bozo had done annoyingly changed the colors of the text in his messages. He voted Maniac because he has said he was going to follow weird rules in a rigid and scummy way. D2 he voted me because RHK had scumread me D1 and then died D1. Not only were his votes justified, but they tracked the flow of conversation well and in a way that I see less here.

Macca hasn't seriously dug into any of the things that they have been commenting on. They've asked some decent questions and posted immediate reactions to what's happening, but it hasn't really manifested itself as decent reads. The one reads list they have posted has been rather superficial and mirrored existing sentiments heavily.

I've talked a fair amount about why I think Maniac may be scum, but I think that he's moved more towards the Maniac I remember today and has thus slid towards null. I don't entirely disagree with Ezio's argument that Maniac wouldn't target kgray here, but it seems to be based on very little without backing in scum Maniac games.

EMC feels like a particularly meh wagon. There is nothing to like, but there is also nothing to hate. @vecna, you've had good reads on emc the past two games, what are your thoughts now?

I've heard some people throw out Jasnah's name as a wagon option. I'm not particularly a fan of this. She has certainly been less insightful today and overall not explained her reads, but she was insightful D1 and her behavior today I think is well explained by her own statement that she was going to be inactive today.

##vote Ezio

Hate it so much, but more likely to get killed that isn't me.

What changed between willing to vote for ezio and the hating having to vote for him?

Because I am not sure I would expect a reaction from someone you were willing to vote for a sudden shift unless ezio is scum with celaph.

[ghug]

hehehehehehehehehe

Look at that she's mad I caught her

Do you wanna go after HR?

Again I'm getting strong guak vibes from you.

[Donny Dude]

Celaph, why did you vote for hr?