MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

Do you get any impression at all that he's hunting?

Going through his iso, im not seeing it. Just doing a lazy impression-read id probably guess him to be town.

Anyways, my opinion shouldnt really hold a lot of weight. I just feel like the people on this wagon are the types that would often misread slots like him.

You're not seeing him hunting or you're not seeing him as scum?

I dont have these memories that you seem to be having of him hunting very actively. I remember him just questioning people a lot and biting down on stuff he doesnt like, which im seeing him do. My memory is that he usually has maybe 2 scumreads that he chases all game, and he harasses those people. I guess the harassment part is missing maybe? I dno.

[ghug]

Like, Ghug, how are you of all people concerned about people lying?

He's just looking for easy ways to justify his votes cause he's scum and doesn't have real reads.

I'm fucking tried of this. It's day two. I'm building townreads. I always play like this. Just because you haven't yet realized that this is a smarter way to play town doesn't mean I'm scum. Wanting info about someone lying doesn't make me scum.

[Vecna]

tinge-ling tinge-ling
ghug, stop touching your dinge-ling

[BunnyGo]

Ok so now the question is what motivation Ezio would have to lie about that as each alignment.

That's what I was wondering. It doesn't make sense. It's easily refuted.

Yeah, I think we can divide it into two cases.

Option one is that the card was never dealt, or discarded by a scum teammate (I'm discounting this, because I see little reason for you to out him like this if you're his scum teammate) and he gets away with it. If he's town, it makes him seem like a PR more valuable than a doctor and puts a target on his back. If he's alien or SK, it does the same thing. If he's mafia, he doesn't have to worry as much about being targeted. It also misleads everyone but those he might be in a QT with, which I suppose could benefit town (because mafia could target obvious choices without worry of a save).

Option two is that it's counterclaimed. If he's strictly gambling (aka not your teammate, which I again think is the most likely), then this is the more likely outcome of his gamble. The obvious scum advantage is outing a doctor or doctor discard. The obvious scum downside is putting a target on your back if you're caught. These are both disadvantages if he's town, so I'm inclined to ##VOTE Ezio

Ezio has posted on page 192 and Hamilton made his claim on page 187.

Ezio not saving Hamilton from the CC is even scummier.

[ghug]

That's what I was wondering. It doesn't make sense. It's easily refuted.

Yeah, I think we can divide it into two cases.

Option one is that the card was never dealt, or discarded by a scum teammate (I'm discounting this, because I see little reason for you to out him like this if you're his scum teammate) and he gets away with it. If he's town, it makes him seem like a PR more valuable than a doctor and puts a target on his back. If he's alien or SK, it does the same thing. If he's mafia, he doesn't have to worry as much about being targeted. It also misleads everyone but those he might be in a QT with, which I suppose could benefit town (because mafia could target obvious choices without worry of a save).

Option two is that it's counterclaimed. If he's strictly gambling (aka not your teammate, which I again think is the most likely), then this is the more likely outcome of his gamble. The obvious scum advantage is outing a doctor or doctor discard. The obvious scum downside is putting a target on your back if you're caught. These are both disadvantages if he's town, so I'm inclined to ##VOTE Ezio

Ezio has posted on page 192 and Hamilton made his claim on page 187.

Ezio not saving Hamilton from the CC is even scummier.

The only thing giving me pause is that he had to know he'd look bad.

[kgray]

Going through his iso, im not seeing it. Just doing a lazy impression-read id probably guess him to be town.

Anyways, my opinion shouldnt really hold a lot of weight. I just feel like the people on this wagon are the types that would often misread slots like him.

You're not seeing him hunting or you're not seeing him as scum?

I dont have these memories that you seem to be having of him hunting very actively. I remember him just questioning people a lot and biting down on stuff he doesnt like, which im seeing him do. My memory is that he usually has maybe 2 scumreads that he chases all game, and he harasses those people. I guess the harassment part is missing maybe? I dno.

Hmm. I'm not seeing much questioning or biting down on things he doesn't like, hence my scumread of him.

[BunnyGo]

##vote ezio

[BunnyGo]

Yeah, I think we can divide it into two cases.

Option one is that the card was never dealt, or discarded by a scum teammate (I'm discounting this, because I see little reason for you to out him like this if you're his scum teammate) and he gets away with it. If he's town, it makes him seem like a PR more valuable than a doctor and puts a target on his back. If he's alien or SK, it does the same thing. If he's mafia, he doesn't have to worry as much about being targeted. It also misleads everyone but those he might be in a QT with, which I suppose could benefit town (because mafia could target obvious choices without worry of a save).

Option two is that it's counterclaimed. If he's strictly gambling (aka not your teammate, which I again think is the most likely), then this is the more likely outcome of his gamble. The obvious scum advantage is outing a doctor or doctor discard. The obvious scum downside is putting a target on your back if you're caught. These are both disadvantages if he's town, so I'm inclined to ##VOTE Ezio

Ezio has posted on page 192 and Hamilton made his claim on page 187.

Ezio not saving Hamilton from the CC is even scummier.

The only thing giving me pause is that he had to know he'd look bad.

better than this...

[Vecna]

So Kgray, how certain are you of this Celaph thing?

We can do a vote-swap, where you buy my vote today, and ill buy yours on a future day of my choosing when im properly caught up.

In all likelyhood, you'll never have to repay, so that sounds like a win-win no?

[Vecna]

##vote ezio

Hey bunny, gimme some hot-takes on your reads

You seem to be all over the place

[Donny Dude]

Hey guys im getting food not aroun for eod then
##vote ezio

[ghug]

Ezio has posted on page 192 and Hamilton made his claim on page 187.

Ezio not saving Hamilton from the CC is even scummier.

The only thing giving me pause is that he had to know he'd look bad.

better than this...

No, I mean he had to know he'd look bad for not admiring it when he had the chance.

[kgray]

Like, Ghug, how are you of all people concerned about people lying?

He's just looking for easy ways to justify his votes cause he's scum and doesn't have real reads.

I'm fucking tried of this. It's day two. I'm building townreads. I always play like this. Just because you haven't yet realized that this is a smarter way to play town doesn't mean I'm scum. Wanting info about someone lying doesn't make me scum.

Nah. In M62 you scumread/scumleaned/shaded like 8 different people just on D1. You've done none of that here.

[ghug]

He's just looking for easy ways to justify his votes cause he's scum and doesn't have real reads.

I'm fucking tried of this. It's day two. I'm building townreads. I always play like this. Just because you haven't yet realized that this is a smarter way to play town doesn't mean I'm scum. Wanting info about someone lying doesn't make me scum.

Nah. In M62 you scumread/scumleaned/shaded like 8 different people just on D1. You've done none of that here.

I pushed wagons on people I didn't like and was very explicit about that.

[ghug]

The only thing giving me pause is that he had to know he'd look bad.

better than this...

No, I mean he had to know he'd look bad for not admiring it when he had the chance.

Admitting*

[kgray]

So Kgray, how certain are you of this Celaph thing?

We can do a vote-swap, where you buy my vote today, and ill buy yours on a future day of my choosing when im properly caught up.

In all likelyhood, you'll never have to repay, so that sounds like a win-win no?

I mean... I'm pretty certain, but not as much as I was with summit in M60 or damo in M62. I don't really want you sheeping me if you don't think my read of him tracks.

But I think he's a great wagon and a good daykill.

[kgray]

I'm fucking tried of this. It's day two. I'm building townreads. I always play like this. Just because you haven't yet realized that this is a smarter way to play town doesn't mean I'm scum. Wanting info about someone lying doesn't make me scum.

Nah. In M62 you scumread/scumleaned/shaded like 8 different people just on D1. You've done none of that here.

I pushed wagons on people I didn't like and was very explicit about that.

In M62? It wasn't just that. I'll pull quotes if I need to.

[Bonatogether]

So Kgray, how certain are you of this Celaph thing?

We can do a vote-swap, where you buy my vote today, and ill buy yours on a future day of my choosing when im properly caught up.

In all likelyhood, you'll never have to repay, so that sounds like a win-win no?

I mean... I'm pretty certain, but not as much as I was with summit in M60 or damo in M62. I don't really want you sheeping me if you don't think my read of him tracks.

But I think he's a great wagon and a good daykill.

I'm 99% sure he's scum (like I was the last few games too lol)

[Hamilton Brian]

The problem with sitting on this and waiting to reveal it is that I've glossed over much of the other reads/questions that people are offering.

[Jamiet99uk]

Mulder walked back to the car.

He waited until he was back on the highway, and made a call.

"Walter, it's me. I've just been to the import warehouse."

He listened for a moment to the voice on the other end.

"No, they weren't. Nothing like that there at all. No. Baseball caps. Yes, baseball caps. And flags. American Flags. I know...

"Listen, did you send anyone else down there? Before me?"

He received the answer he was expecting, but still a look of concern crossed his face.

"Well, somebody did..."

VOTE COUNT 2.5

Ezio (4) - Hamilton Brian, ghug, BunnyGo, Donny Dude
celaph (3) - damo666, Bonatogether, kgray
Hellenic Riot (2) - DemonRHK, rdrivera2005
kgray (2) - Maniac, Hellenic Riot(END)
ghug (1) - BobMcBob
e.m.c^42 (1) - jasnah
Bonatogether (1) - brainbomb
damo666 (1) - Ezio

Unvoted: Vecna
Not voted at all: Celaph, EMC, Macca

EZIO is now set to be daykilled.

64 minutes remain in the day.