MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[DemonRHK]

So

HR can be considered a very methodical player. Doesn't normally overlook things.

But why does his argument discount the possibility that cel is mafia? Is it because HR is mafia and knows that is not a possible outcome? They're scumbuddies and HR is trying to shade the wagon?

I don't like it, Sam I Am.

I literally have no idea how you concluded that me opposing an *ALIEN INFO FLIP* has any bearing whatsoever on whether or not celaph could be mafia

Because half of your case is based of off 'flipping a inno scan just to see if the scan was reversed' completely discounts the fact that the possibilities are as follows:

a) damo: true | scan: true
-cel can still be mafia
b) damo: true | scan: false
-cel is an alien
c) damo: false
-There is still two scumteams

Even if this is a scumclaim, cel can STILL BE SCUM.

[rdrivera2005]

##vote rdrivera

I do think that if people started voting emc he'd magically reappear to make some more pisspoor comments before vanishing again, but clearly nobody else wants to pressure there.

@kgray
Come, tell me, why aren't you scumreading rdrivera anymore?

So, vote him. I might vote him too.

I've literally been voting him all day until now. Where was your vote in all that period? Or indeed, anything else from you?

I was voting Maniac. The Kgray thing and the Coroner thing are such bad plays that I am really confused about him now. That's why I am considering emc.
I also don't like killing Celaph as policy and I am null on him, I don't have much of a meta on him as I was out early on last games.

[damo666]

Hows life bunny

It’s Groundhog Day!!

But I’m moving in 2 months. So that’s something different.

Overall can’t really complain. I have enough good times and freedoms to be hanging out here with youse.

Just started reading Masters of Atlantis. Seems silly.

And tax season is starting up. So going to be really busy. To the Americans here, I strongly recommend getting help on your taxes this year if you aren’t confident about doing them. AARP TaxAide is free and good. No age or membership or income requirements. But schedule things early.

Makes me laugh you get relief for IRA payments. Line 54 I think.

[ghug]

@Ghuggles using only the words Mafia, Alien, SK or Town what do you think of the following people?

Kgray
Bonatogether
Ezio
Brainbomb
This Handsome Man
BobMcBob
Damo666
Donny Dude
Jasnah

I know you've probably expressed opinions on some of them already, but I'm lazy and would like it all in one place.

TIA

I don't have specific sorts of scumreads on many people yet. Bona, brain, Bob, damo probably town. The rest not so much.

[Bonatogether]

I'm voting you for tone as well.

I mean, it's not AI, but you were right last time so I probably won't convince you otherwise.

Bona, how did you read celaph last game?

Like my method or what I thought he was?

[ghug]

There's no cc, anyways, so I'm inclined to believe them.

That's because CCing brain is stupid.

Oh. Ghug was here. I’ll eat him field this

Please don't eat me.

[ghug]

Ghug, am I that forgettable this game?

Donny and ghug aren't scum buddies.

Meh. This reads like you and chaq

What does?

[kgray]

Also I think Donny's celaph ISO is really towny. I didn't remember him doing anything remotely like that in M60 as scum, so I went and checked. He did do one longer post that was an ISO of seth, but that was more of a summary of what seth did without the commentary, and a vague conclusion that seth was scummy. Here, Donny made more conclusions about celaph's alignment and his questions show him trying to think through celaph's thought process, and he isn't just shading everything celaph did as scummy.

[kgray]

@Ghuggles using only the words Mafia, Alien, SK or Town what do you think of the following people?

Kgray
Bonatogether
Ezio
Brainbomb
This Handsome Man
BobMcBob
Damo666
Donny Dude
Jasnah

I know you've probably expressed opinions on some of them already, but I'm lazy and would like it all in one place.

TIA

I don't have specific sorts of scumreads on many people yet. Bona, brain, Bob, damo probably town. The rest not so much.

Why damo?

[ghug]

Yesterday really got away from me. Spent a lot of time thinking on how to run this and in classic Brian fashion I'll probably botch it. I might just slow drip it then make the announcement a couple hours before the vote.

Anyway, I can confirm there's a bullshit claim on Bozo's list.

Whoa

[ghug]

*my Kgray observation, not case

Ah, can you spell out what her alignment would have to be for it to be a slip (as opposed to a mistyping)?

I think it needs to be the following:

1) She's an alien
2) She know's celaph is/isn't
3) She know's the psychotrooper isn't/is in play

So I guess just her being alien is enough and believing damo.

Why would she have believed damo to begin with if his scan was backwards though?

[ghug]

I don't want to out and then have the person come in and stammer some excuses.

Why not?

Not giving a chance to refute seems suspicious.

[brainbomb]

Ezio if yer gonna push RHK or kgray and continue to claim we arent masons I will announce their discards

[brainbomb]

I dont like the repeated efforts to have it both ways

[brainbomb]

I can verify our codenames from mason chat and my teammates discards and even another townclear if you plan to force us to do it

[ghug]

Maniac is def town.

There's no way he should be our target for today. No scum is going to go after kgray here.

Umm. That’s not true. Scum would be looking for nitpicky stuff to show they’re hunting and sew any doubt. While also saying “just asking”. It’s a very safe scum play.

lol. Where does Maniac say "just asking" in his vote post on kgray?
He said "here's something I saw and it's a serious logical issue that kgray should not be making". Then he voted with it. There's no hedge and it attracts a ton of attention to him.
It's super unlikely this wagon takes off, so it's a shitty place to park his vote b/c he's going to have to move his vote again before EoD guaranteed. Because of this play, he's going to have to justify another vote.

Where is the scum motivation in any of this? You say to make us doubt kgray? Who actually believes his case? It's pretty clear what kgray meant but maniac misread it.
Town all the way down.

I agree with your conclusion but none of your argument. Maniac's acquitted himself well overnight.

[BunnyGo]

Maniac went after kgray. Scum would not go after kgray. Therefore, maniac is not scum.

I’ve gone after kgray as scum. Twice.

lol ok. If scum plays like you I think we'll be fine.
Different games with different environments.
Maniac is town.

Unlike you, I’ve never lost as scum (except when subbing in)

[BunnyGo]

Damo's votes today have all been terrible. Let's look at them:
Starts the day off on bunny (actually the best vote here), but abandons the vote in like 10 minutes so it barely counts.

Then parks a vote on kgray for a few hours, but with no case. Merely for "not disclosing discard". That's shite. 12 hours later comes back and puts a vote on bona (the worst vote possible), again with no explanation for bona. Merely saying we should target ppl who discarded mafia goon.

After the bona push (where he received a suitable amount of flak for), he backs off and goes after brainbomb instead. While not obv town, def a terrible choice for the vote.

This is true

[Vecna]

eod is in a few hours rite?

[ghug]

A) if psychotrooper in play, then coroner is nerfed
B) is that how it would work with a day kill? ##call GM

GM NOTE:

No, I'm afraid it would not.

Voting for someone to be daykilled is not performing a kill for the purposes of adjudication, for the same reason that a Doctor cannot save someone from being Daykilled, a Hider cannot hide from being Daykilled, etc. Voting for someone who ends up being the top wagon does not make you a "killer" for the purposes of the Coroner.

With the greatest deal of respect, joint enterprise is a well established principle in English Law and jurisdictions like the former colonies of America and other places. It should not matter who wields the knife, they are all guilty. It is an absurdity to suggest that Brutus was the only killer. It’s also absurd to suggest we have a kill with no killers. Are all the deaths now merely to regarded as suicide. You surely can not be serious about overriding 800 years of sound legal principles, just to bend the universe to a game of Mafia. I beseech you please reconsider. Or don’t I’m really not that bothered.

Lmfao I love you Maniac