MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Ezio]

Damo's votes today have all been terrible. Let's look at them:
Starts the day off on bunny (actually the best vote here), but abandons the vote in like 10 minutes so it barely counts.

Then parks a vote on kgray for a few hours, but with no case. Merely for "not disclosing discard". That's shite. 12 hours later comes back and puts a vote on bona (the worst vote possible), again with no explanation for bona. Merely saying we should target ppl who discarded mafia goon.

After the bona push (where he received a suitable amount of flak for), he backs off and goes after brainbomb instead. While not obv town, def a terrible choice for the vote.

I totally agree with all of this, but I think that town!damo's votes and reads are often unexplained and all over the place. I am trying to decide if the fact that his reasons for his votes being sort of mechanical (discard claims) is more suspicious than his usual, unexplained gut reads.

DEF more sus.

[Hellenic Riot]

##vote rdrivera

I do think that if people started voting emc he'd magically reappear to make some more pisspoor comments before vanishing again, but clearly nobody else wants to pressure there.

@kgray
Come, tell me, why aren't you scumreading rdrivera anymore?

[rdrivera2005]

Like the only way to definitively know if there was a psycho in play would be to daykill both celaph *AND* damo - When instead, we can just let the scum NK's (or our own daykills) inform the investigatives courtesy of one of their reports inevitably being killed. We have no idea how many miskills we do or don't have - We really cannot afford to piss them away

Well, okay. I get this. But it requires someone's scan target being killed before they are, which certainly isn't guaranteed, and I still think there's just generally less info for town that way.

But we have at least some miskills, right? Based on how many townies vs scum were required for the game to start.

Do we? Let's assume that *most* people were telling the truth about their discards: We're probably looking at a mafia team of 3-4 people, maybe only 2. So let's take 3 as an average. Now let's look again at the discards and notice how few alien discards have been claimed: So let's assume that the alien team is probably a bit larger - Maybe 5 or even 6. Now throw in a potential SK. That means that realistically we're probably looking at 8 or 9 scum. Given there's only 19 of us alive, we could well already be at our final day where town has a *majority*, and only a few days away from not even being the plurality. We absolutely do not have free miskills to piss away on info-flips.

Scum!damo claims b/c he's worried about getting scanned and for whatever reason felt pressured to make a claim.

I'm actually shocked you're making this argument about celaph. He's going to flip at somepoint, and our PR's are going to keep getting their scans. If we later learn if their scans are valid or not, we can use that information then (namely after celaph flips). This is a 21 person game (19 now), so we have loads of time before we need to use the scans.

Who knows, maybe celaph claims PR at some point and mafia need to NK him instead. Wouldn't that be amazing?

Don't see why damo would feel that way, but okay.

I'm making this argument because I actually scumread celaph. If this were about Rivera, for example, I would not be proposing this daykill.

If celaph claims PR we kill him immediately, since he already claimed VT.

I'd love to hear why rdrivera is your example here given you scumread him D1 and he's done absolutely fuck all today. He came in and claimed he'd softed a PR D1 (at night, for no reason whatsoever), and then disappeared off the face of the earth. Why are you no longer scumreading him?

Because I am obviously town?

[rdrivera2005]

Actually I kinda want to ##vote HR

Me too.

##vote HR

[rdrivera2005]

##vote rdrivera

I do think that if people started voting emc he'd magically reappear to make some more pisspoor comments before vanishing again, but clearly nobody else wants to pressure there.

@kgray
Come, tell me, why aren't you scumreading rdrivera anymore?

So, vote him. I might vote him too.

[Hellenic Riot]

Well, okay. I get this. But it requires someone's scan target being killed before they are, which certainly isn't guaranteed, and I still think there's just generally less info for town that way.

But we have at least some miskills, right? Based on how many townies vs scum were required for the game to start.

Do we? Let's assume that *most* people were telling the truth about their discards: We're probably looking at a mafia team of 3-4 people, maybe only 2. So let's take 3 as an average. Now let's look again at the discards and notice how few alien discards have been claimed: So let's assume that the alien team is probably a bit larger - Maybe 5 or even 6. Now throw in a potential SK. That means that realistically we're probably looking at 8 or 9 scum. Given there's only 19 of us alive, we could well already be at our final day where town has a *majority*, and only a few days away from not even being the plurality. We absolutely do not have free miskills to piss away on info-flips.

Don't see why damo would feel that way, but okay.

I'm making this argument because I actually scumread celaph. If this were about Rivera, for example, I would not be proposing this daykill.

If celaph claims PR we kill him immediately, since he already claimed VT.

I'd love to hear why rdrivera is your example here given you scumread him D1 and he's done absolutely fuck all today. He came in and claimed he'd softed a PR D1 (at night, for no reason whatsoever), and then disappeared off the face of the earth. Why are you no longer scumreading him?

Because I am obviously town?

Hot damn my summoning skills are on fire

[Hellenic Riot]

##vote rdrivera

I do think that if people started voting emc he'd magically reappear to make some more pisspoor comments before vanishing again, but clearly nobody else wants to pressure there.

@kgray
Come, tell me, why aren't you scumreading rdrivera anymore?

So, vote him. I might vote him too.

I've literally been voting him all day until now. Where was your vote in all that period? Or indeed, anything else from you?

[kgray]

I'd love to hear why rdrivera is your example here given you scumread him D1 and he's done absolutely fuck all today. He came in and claimed he'd softed a PR D1 (at night, for no reason whatsoever), and then disappeared off the face of the earth. Why are you no longer scumreading him?

Because he said he's obvtown and he only ever says that when he's town. And I decided that he's playing how I expect him to as town, like you originally said, and I don't trust the people saying he was saved. And I'm his spokesperson, and we're vibing this game, and he's town.

[Hellenic Riot]

I'd love to hear why rdrivera is your example here given you scumread him D1 and he's done absolutely fuck all today. He came in and claimed he'd softed a PR D1 (at night, for no reason whatsoever), and then disappeared off the face of the earth. Why are you no longer scumreading him?

Because he said he's obvtown and he only ever says that when he's town. And I decided that he's playing how I expect him to as town, like you originally said, and I don't trust the people saying he was saved. And I'm his spokesperson, and we're vibing this game, and he's town.

##vote kgray
##END

[kgray]

Damo's votes today have all been terrible. Let's look at them:
Starts the day off on bunny (actually the best vote here), but abandons the vote in like 10 minutes so it barely counts.

Then parks a vote on kgray for a few hours, but with no case. Merely for "not disclosing discard". That's shite. 12 hours later comes back and puts a vote on bona (the worst vote possible), again with no explanation for bona. Merely saying we should target ppl who discarded mafia goon.

After the bona push (where he received a suitable amount of flak for), he backs off and goes after brainbomb instead. While not obv town, def a terrible choice for the vote.

I totally agree with all of this, but I think that town!damo's votes and reads are often unexplained and all over the place. I am trying to decide if the fact that his reasons for his votes being sort of mechanical (discard claims) is more suspicious than his usual, unexplained gut reads.

DEF more sus.

I think so too but I'm just really struggling to see scum!damo making that claim for no reason. I guess he could be the maf conspiracy theorist, but it still seems weird for him to go out of his way to shoot down a celaph wagon *that* early.

[kgray]

##vote rdrivera

I do think that if people started voting emc he'd magically reappear to make some more pisspoor comments before vanishing again, but clearly nobody else wants to pressure there.

@kgray
Come, tell me, why aren't you scumreading rdrivera anymore?

We're not doing Rivera today.

##vote emc

[kgray]

I'd love to hear why rdrivera is your example here given you scumread him D1 and he's done absolutely fuck all today. He came in and claimed he'd softed a PR D1 (at night, for no reason whatsoever), and then disappeared off the face of the earth. Why are you no longer scumreading him?

Because he said he's obvtown and he only ever says that when he's town. And I decided that he's playing how I expect him to as town, like you originally said, and I don't trust the people saying he was saved. And I'm his spokesperson, and we're vibing this game, and he's town.

##vote kgray
##END

Chill dude. You're either being an idiot or you're scum. And Ezio already said that scum wouldn't come after me, so you don't get towncred for this.

[damo666]

Catching up from p170

anything vital happened I should know?

[damo666]

Damo using the word dogshit makes me buy him as town

That was Ezio, not me.

[Hamilton Brian]

Tick Tock, Liar Liar Pants on Fire!

[Donny Dude]

Celaph iso read:
Very early discard of a goon. Really wants to know if scum has a certain definition? That is a weird concern to have as town.
A read on Bona seems genuine. Something towny.
But casts shade on what I believe to be a slip from Bona. Exceptionally weird he goes from giving bb townpoints to maybe bona did not townslip and it is faked. Why did the first one get complete acceptance compared to Bonas?
Has a ghug read based on past game. Says more discarded mafia cards mean more mafia? That does not make sense and feels like shade in saying it's only use is limited outside of lovers.

Ok...now you're just fu**ing with us to see how long we continue to believe you can actually think this. Right?

On d1 I actually do think it is better to vote brain than any of three I listed aside from maybe lfischl if he starts posting more. I prefer pressuring bunny or celaph, but if the choice is brain or ezio, I know what I'm choosing.

If you prefer to pressure me then why aren't you doing so? Throw some questions at me.

I don't like this at all, like saying come at me. Saying Bona is not doing so is odd considering his next post townreads Bona.
Reads list like kgray bb and bona, which is a common read I think. Only has town reads though and no one celaph wants to vote out yet even though ghug is weird and bunny has him wary.
He has still not voted. Why the lack of confidence in going after someone like Ghug or Bunny? MAybe he does not want to push them?
A good response to Ghug on how he feels ghug has not displayed a thought process yet, not strong enough to vote for?
Celaph is tied to ghug rather than the other way around.
Finally with an hour and 49 minutes left, Celaph votes for lfi.

##vote lfischl

I think that their D1 has been the most lacking thus far. I'm not a fan of many of the other wagons except Bunny's.

This just feels like jumping on a wagon that seems popular and not his scummate. I don't buy that explanation as this is a first read of lfi.
Weird post about now believing Bunny is the scummiest but the cost would be too high if wrong?
wtf. Celaph believes emc and vecna are worth keeping around but not lfi. I think a town celaph would have voted for someone with a bit more meat on their bones. This feels like scum wanting to be on a lead wagonthat won't fight back much.
20 minutes later, he hops on bunny. Feels like a scummy vote why not hop on when You thought bunny was scummy 20 minutes ago. Also ties up bunny with Lfi.
Gives a comparison of bunny to other games, but you think celaph would quote something of Bunny considering how many posts he has instead of this,

I'll support the ##vote bunny wagon.

What about bunny seems scummy celaph
What is your take on rdr?

I've given my take on both of them earlier, though my opinions on Bunny are more spread out. Bunny reminds me more of scum bunny in M62. There he was active, friendly, and comfortable with being part of the conversation while never really being the center of it. M63 town bunny felt more willing to be the center of conversation and more willing to be a little cross with people. This game he has had a few messages that remind me of last game (he made a sharp comment towards me earlier for instance), but I think most of his play is like M62.

As I mentioned earlier, I think rdr is mostly getting votes for being inactive which I think is likely NAI at this point. I have him as null.

with 12 minutes left goes back on lfi, his previous posts left him not able to go on rdr, which is something I think is towny.
Claims the reason people are voing him is because of lfi and that he feels just as decisive to last game.
Asks ghug about ezio vote.

As best I can tell people don't like my vote on lfischl and the justification behind it. To those same people I would ask what they thought of my vote on ND D1 last game. I've felt similarly indecisive to last game.

I'm voting you for tone as well.

I mean, it's not AI, but you were right last time so I probably won't convince you otherwise.

Bona, how did you read celaph last game?
I see a distinct lack of defense in these final minutes. He just gives up but does not shade or yell how about us being wrong.

That was Just d1

[DemonRHK]

I'd love to hear why rdrivera is your example here given you scumread him D1 and he's done absolutely fuck all today. He came in and claimed he'd softed a PR D1 (at night, for no reason whatsoever), and then disappeared off the face of the earth. Why are you no longer scumreading him?

Because he said he's obvtown and he only ever says that when he's town. And I decided that he's playing how I expect him to as town, like you originally said, and I don't trust the people saying he was saved. And I'm his spokesperson, and we're vibing this game, and he's town.

##vote kgray
##END

Ok, now I really sold on my crackpot 'HR omitted mafia in his damo' case. Can this be the daykill please?

[Hamilton Brian]

I actually can't believe how giddy I am. I suck at this game and it's the first time I've played here where I actually feel useful. Now, I realize it's really down to pure luck and no smarts on my part, but still I feel like running around high-fiving myself, yelling, "Fuck yeah!!!"

That being said, I need to be very careful and double check this shit out, or else I'll be a pretty deserving kill myself.

[kgray]

I actually can't believe how giddy I am. I suck at this game and it's the first time I've played here where I actually feel useful. Now, I realize it's really down to pure luck and no smarts on my part, but still I feel like running around high-fiving myself, yelling, "Fuck yeah!!!"

That being said, I need to be very careful and double check this shit out, or else I'll be a pretty deserving kill myself.

I love this. And if scum NK you then they're scum in real life too. Who'd want to take away this kind of joy in the world?

Hamilton is in my towncore now.

[rdrivera2005]

Do we? Let's assume that *most* people were telling the truth about their discards: We're probably looking at a mafia team of 3-4 people, maybe only 2. So let's take 3 as an average. Now let's look again at the discards and notice how few alien discards have been claimed: So let's assume that the alien team is probably a bit larger - Maybe 5 or even 6. Now throw in a potential SK. That means that realistically we're probably looking at 8 or 9 scum. Given there's only 19 of us alive, we could well already be at our final day where town has a *majority*, and only a few days away from not even being the plurality. We absolutely do not have free miskills to piss away on info-flips.


I'd love to hear why rdrivera is your example here given you scumread him D1 and he's done absolutely fuck all today. He came in and claimed he'd softed a PR D1 (at night, for no reason whatsoever), and then disappeared off the face of the earth. Why are you no longer scumreading him?

Because I am obviously town?

Hot damn my summoning skills are on fire

Nah, I have been around between one caipirinha and another, but don't see much of a need to do a big effort while HB is teasing us.