MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

I don't want to out and then have the person come in and stammer some excuses.

No, that would be great! Let them squirm. If they're town they can give a good explanation for lying, if they're scum maybe they'll out a teammate or which roles they have or something.

[BunnyGo]

I don't want to out and then have the person come in and stammer some excuses.

No, that would be great! Let them squirm. If they're town they can give a good explanation for lying, if they're scum maybe they'll out a teammate or which roles they have or something.

Hamilton has to out that he was dealt a certain card to do this. Better if people confess now. Then Hamilton has reasonable deniability at least that he was just making a play.

[kgray]

Maniac is def town.

There's no way he should be our target for today. No scum is going to go after kgray here.

I don't know, I think scum!Maniac could easily make that "observation." But I agree, he shouldn't be our target today.

Thoughts on killing celaph for the possible psychotrooper intel? All you've said about celaph today is that his wagon is sus. What don't you like about damo?

[Bonatogether]

Brain I get that you're all but conf-town, but that doesn't make you right

Why is he conf-town to you?

"all but conf-town" -> basically conf-town, but not mechanically confirmed, so I'm not going to actually say conf-town

[Ezio]

Maniac is def town.

There's no way he should be our target for today. No scum is going to go after kgray here.

Umm. That’s not true. Scum would be looking for nitpicky stuff to show they’re hunting and sew any doubt. While also saying “just asking”. It’s a very safe scum play.

lol. Where does Maniac say "just asking" in his vote post on kgray?
He said "here's something I saw and it's a serious logical issue that kgray should not be making". Then he voted with it. There's no hedge and it attracts a ton of attention to him.
It's super unlikely this wagon takes off, so it's a shitty place to park his vote b/c he's going to have to move his vote again before EoD guaranteed. Because of this play, he's going to have to justify another vote.

Where is the scum motivation in any of this? You say to make us doubt kgray? Who actually believes his case? It's pretty clear what kgray meant but maniac misread it.
Town all the way down.

[kgray]

Meh. This reads like you and chaq

How? Chaqa and I were way more aggressive than this.

Yes, but you and Chaqa are more aggressive players. This feels like they'd decided to fight more than actually see things they care about.

After Donny and ghug were scum together in M60 I can totally see town!Donny being hurt ghug forgot about him.

[Bonatogether]

Wait... So we do know who the masons are? Were you having me on BB?

we do but i can't say them cause brain will scumread me more

Why are you this credulous?

Brain claims PR every game. Literally every game.

If he is PR, it's better to not push it. If he's VT or a different PR, we don't want the actual one to out, since he'll probably get shot anyways, so we shouldn't push it. If he's scum, then him surviving for a couple days will get him voted out.

[kgray]

Yes in effect Damo has said he has an innocent scan and Kgray has called that an alien scan. Does she (Kgray) know celaph is alien and that there is a psychotrooper making damo666 scan read as inno.

"alien scan" = "scan for aliens" which is what damo was claiming to be able to do. I wasn't saying damo had a guilty on celaph.

Yes...that's what Bob already said

Oh, would you like me to just let Bob talk for me? Should he explain my thought process to you, and why I say what I say?

@Bob, please give my updated reads on the following people: HR, Bunny, damo, and Donny. Thanks!

[Ezio]

Maniac is def town.

There's no way he should be our target for today. No scum is going to go after kgray here.

I don't know, I think scum!Maniac could easily make that "observation." But I agree, he shouldn't be our target today.

Thoughts on killing celaph for the possible psychotrooper intel? All you've said about celaph today is that his wagon is sus. What don't you like about damo?

Damo's the guy who claimed one of the fake scan roles. Def the scummiest claim possible. I haven't read anything from him that made me think he was town while I was reading it, or thinking about it after. Mostly because he hasn't posted anything that's made me think.

Scummy claim+bad press=scumread.

We should *not* make a pure information kill today. Information kills are always shitty. It gives scum tons of dumb town to hide behind b/c too many of both say, at EoD, "I dislike both these wagons but this one's the information flip", or "voting here for info. At least we know our scans are viable in the future" or whatever.

Fuck that. Ppl gotta vote who they think is scum and we're gonna give them no other reasons for their votes.

[Ezio]

we do but i can't say them cause brain will scumread me more

Why are you this credulous?

Brain claims PR every game. Literally every game.

If he is PR, it's better to not push it. If he's VT or a different PR, we don't want the actual one to out, since he'll probably get shot anyways, so we shouldn't push it. If he's scum, then him surviving for a couple days will get him voted out.

There's no way bb gets shot on this forum. He's too notorious for his fakeclaims for ppl to believe them.

[Bonatogether]

Why are you this credulous?

Brain claims PR every game. Literally every game.

If he is PR, it's better to not push it. If he's VT or a different PR, we don't want the actual one to out, since he'll probably get shot anyways, so we shouldn't push it. If he's scum, then him surviving for a couple days will get him voted out.

There's no way bb gets shot on this forum. He's too notorious for his fakeclaims for ppl to believe them.

Then how are you supposed to catch scum!brain? I'm confused

[Ezio]

If he is PR, it's better to not push it. If he's VT or a different PR, we don't want the actual one to out, since he'll probably get shot anyways, so we shouldn't push it. If he's scum, then him surviving for a couple days will get him voted out.

There's no way bb gets shot on this forum. He's too notorious for his fakeclaims for ppl to believe them.

Then how are you supposed to catch scum!brain? I'm confused

Scumbrain catches himself for you. Usually by d5 he explodes if he's still alive as scum.

It's really hard to fake his town play, and he has to try, and he has to keep it up. From my experience he looks fine for a few days and then just makes some terrible blunders.

It's best to wait for them rather than trying too hard.

[Hamilton Brian]

Maniac is def town.

There's no way he should be our target for today. No scum is going to go after kgray here.

What do you mean? I mean, my opinion on them has changed, but what's your view based on?

[kgray]

Maniac is def town.

There's no way he should be our target for today. No scum is going to go after kgray here.

I don't know, I think scum!Maniac could easily make that "observation." But I agree, he shouldn't be our target today.

Thoughts on killing celaph for the possible psychotrooper intel? All you've said about celaph today is that his wagon is sus. What don't you like about damo?

Damo's the guy who claimed one of the fake scan roles. Def the scummiest claim possible. I haven't read anything from him that made me think he was town while I was reading it, or thinking about it after. Mostly because he hasn't posted anything that's made me think.

Scummy claim+bad press=scumread.

We should *not* make a pure information kill today. Information kills are always shitty. It gives scum tons of dumb town to hide behind b/c too many of both say, at EoD, "I dislike both these wagons but this one's the information flip", or "voting here for info. At least we know our scans are viable in the future" or whatever.

Fuck that. Ppl gotta vote who they think is scum and we're gonna give them no other reasons for their votes.

Why does scum!damo claim in that situation, though? What does he get out of it?

I agree, info kills are bad. But if damo is telling the truth then we get actual mechanical info, not just VCA "help" which I think might make this worth it.

[kgray]

Umm. I'd like to know why celaph didn't come out and proclaim that we don't have a psychotrooper when damo said he wasn't an alien.

[Ezio]

Maniac is def town.

There's no way he should be our target for today. No scum is going to go after kgray here.

What do you mean? I mean, my opinion on them has changed, but what's your view based on?

Maniac went after kgray. Scum would not go after kgray. Therefore, maniac is not scum.

[Bonatogether]

Umm. I'd like to know why celaph didn't come out and proclaim that we don't have a psychotrooper when damo said he wasn't an alien.

Because celaph is scum

[Maniac]

I’ve just woke up to what could be a brilliant idea.

Let’s decide on our daykill say 4hr before EOD. Then everyone MUST vote for that daykill. If we have a coroner then they inspect the body and we get a full list of roles in play. If we don’t get a full list it’s because there is a psycho trooper in play.

Obv this only works if we have a coroner. But the worst thing that can happen is we kill someone who we would have killed anyway.

Thoughts?

A) if psychotrooper in play, then coroner is nerfed
B) is that how it would work with a day kill? ##call GM

GM NOTE:

No, I'm afraid it would not.

Voting for someone to be daykilled is not performing a kill for the purposes of adjudication, for the same reason that a Doctor cannot save someone from being Daykilled, a Hider cannot hide from being Daykilled, etc. Voting for someone who ends up being the top wagon does not make you a "killer" for the purposes of the Coroner.

With the greatest deal of respect, joint enterprise is a well established principle in English Law and jurisdictions like the former colonies of America and other places. It should not matter who wields the knife, they are all guilty. It is an absurdity to suggest that Brutus was the only killer. It’s also absurd to suggest we have a kill with no killers. Are all the deaths now merely to regarded as suicide. You surely can not be serious about overriding 800 years of sound legal principles, just to bend the universe to a game of Mafia. I beseech you please reconsider. Or don’t I’m really not that bothered.

[kgray]

Umm. I'd like to know why celaph didn't come out and proclaim that we don't have a psychotrooper when damo said he wasn't an alien.

Because celaph is scum

Maf or alien?

[Bonatogether]

Umm. I'd like to know why celaph didn't come out and proclaim that we don't have a psychotrooper when damo said he wasn't an alien.

Because celaph is scum

Maf or alien?

Probably alien