MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[TheMadMonarch]

Oh thanks. Cross post with my subsequent post.

We should definitely daykill celaph then.

How come you didn't support this before it was pointed out that we could use celaph's flip to determine if there was a psychotrooper? I feel like you should have come to that conclusion on your own after getting an alien scan on someone.

That is suspicious

kgray or damo?

[BunnyGo]

I’d have to reread the whole situation. I don’t remember the last game Damo was a town PR. But as scum, he tries to go deep. So the only reason he’d fake this as scum is if he games out “they’ll decide to never kill mr because there are two such investigators. And I scan alien to them anyways. So this buys me lots of time.” I can see it. As kgray says, he doesn’t like risks. But I don’t think he’d view this as a risk.

Town Damo enjoys solving. I don’t really understand what lead him to claim. Was it his silly opening post about being unsure about his roles alignment? Maybe. But then he didn’t have to go and claim PR. Just VT would have been enough.

He felt less mech sure than I’m used to from him. He’s usually very mech aware. Not necessarily having considered all the angles, but has an opinion.

This is an interesting take. Damo could very easily go very deep if he was an alien claiming conspiracy theorist, but only if he knew conspiracy theorist wasn't in play otherwise. I'd say it's unlikely, but it's a possibility at least.

Don't give Bunny credit for that, I said it first.

No. I did. You then ran with it.

[BunnyGo]

Yeah.

Wanna explain this response? kinda looks like two scum buddies relieved that ifischl isnt a bp.

@Bunny why did you think lfischl was going to claim to have discarded that role?

It was more like”in this progression of claims, it’s the role that will be finally built to and what will I believe in that case?”

Planning ahead for something I feared and considered likely.

[BunnyGo]

I’ve just woke up to what could be a brilliant idea.

Let’s decide on our daykill say 4hr before EOD. Then everyone MUST vote for that daykill. If we have a coroner then they inspect the body and we get a full list of roles in play. If we don’t get a full list it’s because there is a psycho trooper in play.

Obv this only works if we have a coroner. But the worst thing that can happen is we kill someone who we would have killed anyway.

Thoughts?

A) if psychotrooper in play, then coroner is nerfed
B) is that how it would work with a day kill? ##call GM

[BunnyGo]

GM NOTES
1: There is no such role as "Murderer" in the deck. Do you mean Serial Killer?
2: Both of them would die.
3: Both of them would die, and so would the person targeting the hider.
4: Both of them would die, and so would the person targeting the Paranoid Gun Owner.

Murder is generic for kill.

Murder is a subset of kill, not a synonym

This is what you choose to respond to? Why have you not researched the interactions of your claimed role more? I’ve been pinging the GM DMs with lots of questions about mine.

[BunnyGo]

Murder is generic for kill.

Murder is a subset of kill, not a synonym

Although not always. Ask the crows

And this is the first thing you respond to?!

What are you playing?

[BunnyGo]

How come you didn't support this before it was pointed out that we could use celaph's flip to determine if there was a psychotrooper? I feel like you should have come to that conclusion on your own after getting an alien scan on someone.

That is suspicious

kgray or damo?

Damo. I’m agreeing with kgrays point

[Hamilton Brian]

Yesterday really got away from me. Spent a lot of time thinking on how to run this and in classic Brian fashion I'll probably botch it. I might just slow drip it then make the announcement a couple hours before the vote.

Anyway, I can confirm there's a bullshit claim on Bozo's list.

[Hamilton Brian]

Not sure I want to really have to go back over 20+ pages. It is Saturday so I'll be busy but... I want to see how some wagons have moved.

[Jamiet99uk]

I’ve just woke up to what could be a brilliant idea.

Let’s decide on our daykill say 4hr before EOD. Then everyone MUST vote for that daykill. If we have a coroner then they inspect the body and we get a full list of roles in play. If we don’t get a full list it’s because there is a psycho trooper in play.

Obv this only works if we have a coroner. But the worst thing that can happen is we kill someone who we would have killed anyway.

Thoughts?

A) if psychotrooper in play, then coroner is nerfed
B) is that how it would work with a day kill? ##call GM

GM NOTE:

No, I'm afraid it would not.

Voting for someone to be daykilled is not performing a kill for the purposes of adjudication, for the same reason that a Doctor cannot save someone from being Daykilled, a Hider cannot hide from being Daykilled, etc. Voting for someone who ends up being the top wagon does not make you a "killer" for the purposes of the Coroner.

[BunnyGo]

Yesterday really got away from me. Spent a lot of time thinking on how to run this and in classic Brian fashion I'll probably botch it. I might just slow drip it then make the announcement a couple hours before the vote.

Anyway, I can confirm there's a bullshit claim on Bozo's list.

Spicy.

[BunnyGo]

Discard claims:

Options are stating a specific role, town/not town, town/mafia/alien, or choosing not to answer.

Bob: Mafia compulsive hider
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Mafia RB
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK: town
Donny: Enabler
emc: town
Ezio: Town Doctor
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton: chooses not to answer
HR: Mafia Loud Role Cop
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien Bulletproof Lover
Macca:
Mania​c: Commuter
rdrivera: town
Vecna: VT

Here's the most recent version I could find. I didn't check that Donny/bozo didn't transcribe incorrectly. Have you checked Hamilton?

[Hamilton Brian]

I am trying to sort through why the person would make such an outrageous lie. I can't figure it out. It would be so easy to refute.

[Hamilton Brian]

Here's the most recent version I could find. I didn't check that Donny/bozo didn't transcribe incorrectly. Have you checked Hamilton?

I think that's the last one I saw.

[BunnyGo]

Here's the most recent version I could find. I didn't check that Donny/bozo didn't transcribe incorrectly. Have you checked Hamilton?

I think that's the last one I saw.

But did you check the person who made the claim? To see they actually made the claim as recorded?

[Hamilton Brian]

Yes

[BunnyGo]

Yes

Excellent.

Should we give them a deadline of say, 3 hours from now to confess?

[Hamilton Brian]

Yes

Excellent.

Should we give them a deadline of say, 3 hours from now to confess?

Would they really? TIme zones kind of matter too. It's been so in my head that I just skimmed yesterday's and this morning pages with only half attention. I think that if we can flip this person it will be good for town...be they scum or alien. I just can't think why town would overtly lie.

What would town gain by lying about a claim?

(is that the type of questioning of mine that's been bothering you Donny?)

[BunnyGo]

Yes

Excellent.

Should we give them a deadline of say, 3 hours from now to confess?

Would they really? TIme zones kind of matter too. It's been so in my head that I just skimmed yesterday's and this morning pages with only half attention. I think that if we can flip this person it will be good for town...be they scum or alien. I just can't think why town would overtly lie.

What would town gain by lying about a claim?

(is that the type of questioning of mine that's been bothering you Donny?)

If it is brainbomb...who knows? But as brain claimed goon...it isn't him.

[Hamilton Brian]

If it is brainbomb...who knows? But as brain claimed goon...it isn't him.

Definitely not brainbomb.

I think I'm going to leave it alone for right now. I need to time this right because I don't want to out anything too late for a wagon to form. I want to do some investigating because I don't want to rest on my laurels. It's only one person out of at least 3.