MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[celaph]

This is the entirety of your conversation?

Ask me anything!

Come back!

No, I've just been away for a little while and am working through the backlog of messages. Though I'll comply with your request. HR brought up a good point that damo outed himself to save me. Do you think that Damo takes that risk?

I want to hear your opinion on this. What does damo outing to prevent you from being a wagon tell you?

I think the far more interesting thing is that he went from outing himself to save me to voting me. My mental image of Damo is that he is one who thinks through his choices and at least hearing from others I don't feel like I'm particularly wrong here. For instance, you mentioned that Damo wanted to do the numerically correct play and lay low. Bunny said that scum Damo likes to go deep. Both of you suggest that his current play is atypical for scum (with bunny suggesting atypical for town as well), yet depict him as thoughtful and calculated. Thus, I think it's more likely that he is making an intentional move as scum than has overlooked all this as town.

[Maniac]

Snip

Murder is generic for kill.

Murder is a subset of kill, not a synonym

Although not always. Ask the crows

[celaph]

I don't understand what trending downwards means. You think he's becoming more scummy now? You were scumreading him D1 and then N1 you said you thought he was town because of his D1 votes. Are you saying you think he doesn't seem solvey still (or again?) and so his votes are less compelling reason to townread him?

What do you dislike about the people voting him? Which people, and is it only because they're voting ghug or for other reasons?

Yes, by trending downwards I meant that he was getting scummier. I should clarify that I don't particularly think that the people voting for ghug are getting scummier in my book, but rathar that their perception of ghug is worse than my perception of ghug (and getting worse at a faster rate, though that is more debatable).

At the start of D2 he wasn't solvey, no. And I was marking him as scummier because of it. His votes were still a reason to townread him, but the value of all non-mechanical information goes down the more of it there is.

I just don't see how the celaph I know admits that ghug isn't trying to solve this game but is somehow still more convinced that ghug is town because ghug didn't care much about whether confirmed town lfischl or town!celaph was the daykill?

I don't think my EoD was particularly good and I understand why ghug had interest in killing me. He was wrong, but for the right reasons. More concretely, I made two posts last game regarding ghug that I think are worth bringing up (here and here). I ended on the wrong wagon that day (partially because I was offline at EoD), but I think that there was some truth to my point then. At EoD1, I saw an interest in ghug that reminded me not at all of last game.

[celaph]

I think you're mafia and celaph is the underdog, yeah.

Do you think that scum me is not concerned with drawing attention to ghug and myself in the way I have been?

Uh, have you been drawing attention to ghug and yourself? Do you think your changed read of ghug is noteworthy?

Did I think it was initially noteworthy? Not especially. Do I think that it is now that you and I have been discussing it all D2? Yes.

[Maniac]

@Ghuggles using only the words Mafia, Alien, SK or Town what do you think of the following people?

Kgray
Bonatogether
Ezio
Brainbomb
This Handsome Man
BobMcBob
Damo666
Donny Dude
Jasnah

I know you've probably expressed opinions on some of them already, but I'm lazy and would like it all in one place.

TIA

[celaph]

@Ghuggles using only the words Mafia, Alien, SK or Town what do you think of the following people?

Kgray
Bonatogether
Ezio
Brainbomb
This Handsome Man
BobMcBob
Damo666
Donny Dude
Jasnah

I know you've probably expressed opinions on some of them already, but I'm lazy and would like it all in one place.

TIA

Maniac, what do you think of all those people? In general, who do you townread/scumread? Why?

[BunnyGo]

It looks like you wanted someone to think you might be a vig bunny

Ah...I see why you say that.

I can see why you say that too, but given the fact that bona is still around I doubt bunny is vig.

Have you not noticed:

1) I’ve never missed as vig or vengeful (even when you got me speed wagon by claiming my role I pocketed the shot)
2) I’ve said loudly and often I townread bona?

What are you basing this on? Are you rereading or just quoting random posts?

[BunnyGo]

I can see why you say that too, but given the fact that bona is still around I doubt bunny is vig.

Bunny wasn't scumreading Bona overnight.

They were extremely angry at me though

I was angry when brain got me dead as vengeful by claiming my role as his, and I still didn’t shoot him

[BunnyGo]

Bunny wasn't scumreading Bona overnight.

They were extremely angry at me though

I was angry when brain got me dead as vengeful by claiming my role as his, and I still didn’t shoot him

@bona having brain leading town means everyone else has to play while standing on one hand and drinking cool aid through a straw up their nose. It’s possible. You haven’t tried it, so you don’t know it’ll be bad. But sometimes you snarf too much.

[BobMcBob]

Ah...I see why you say that.

I can see why you say that too, but given the fact that bona is still around I doubt bunny is vig.

Have you not noticed:

1) I’ve never missed as vig or vengeful (even when you got me speed wagon by claiming my role I pocketed the shot)
2) I’ve said loudly and often I townread bona?

What are you basing this on? Are you rereading or just quoting random posts?

Why the heck would I go check all your games to see how you play vig? And you were actively calling for vig to shoot bona at the start of the night, idk if you changed your mind later.

[BunnyGo]

Brain I get that you're all but conf-town, but that doesn't make you right

Why is he conf-town to you?

[BunnyGo]

donny null
macca town
celaph town
ghug town

those were my takeaways from my rereads. hope you enjoyed them. ill find us some scum come hell or high water.

Can you explain your town reads?

[BunnyGo]

interesting that you arent really sheeping any of the masons

Wait... So we do know who the masons are? Were you having me on BB?

we do but i can't say them cause brain will scumread me more

Why are you this credulous?

Brain claims PR every game. Literally every game.

[BunnyGo]

The mason thing is brain trolling and should not be taken as fact.

There's no cc, anyways, so I'm inclined to believe them.

If there were, he’d just claim he was lying. He does this.

[BunnyGo]

The mason thing is brain trolling and should not be taken as fact.

There's no cc, anyways, so I'm inclined to believe them.

That's because CCing brain is stupid.

Oh. Ghug was here. I’ll eat him field this

[dargorygel]

“Because nothing will save the Governor General?”

The man’s nervous grin changed to a confused grimace. Not a student of British history, apparently.

A stale odor underpinned the gestalt of the dank room. An odor that Mulder couldn’t quite recognize. An odor that Mulder was almost sure he did not want to recognize.

“These are useless, now.” Mulder dropped the cap back into the box. “How are you going to unload them?”

“I know some people.”

It wasn’t the answer Mulder wanted. He didn’t care what ‘people’ the slimy importer knew.

Vote Count 2.4

Celaph (4) damo666, Bonatogether, Bunnygo, Maniac
Maniac (3) ghug, Hamilton Brian
E.m.c^42 (2) Hellenic Riot, jasnah
Ghug (2) kgray, BobMcBob
Hamilton Brian (2) Ezio, Donny Dude
Hellenic Riot (1) DemonRHK
Bonatogether (1) brainbomb

Not Yet Voting
Celaph, e.m.c^42, Macca573, Vecna

At present, Celaph might be Celophaned
(one end vote)
Not Yet Taking Part Sufficiently
No One

Day ends in 9 ¾ hours.

[BunnyGo]

I used the bot for the last six (and rd, sorry rd).

Ghug, am I that forgettable this game?

Donny and ghug aren't scum buddies.

Meh. This reads like you and chaq

[TheMadMonarch]

“Because nothing will save the Governor General?”

The man’s nervous grin changed to a confused grimace. Not a student of British history, apparently.

A stale odor underpinned the gestalt of the dank room. An odor that Mulder couldn’t quite recognize. An odor that Mulder was almost sure he did not want to recognize.

“These are useless, now.” Mulder dropped the cap back into the box. “How are you going to unload them?”

“I know some people.”

It wasn’t the answer Mulder wanted. He didn’t care what ‘people’ the slimy importer knew.

Vote Count 2.4

Celaph (4) damo666, Bonatogether, Bunnygo, Maniac
Maniac (3) ghug, Hamilton Brian
E.m.c^42 (2) Hellenic Riot, jasnah
Ghug (2) kgray, BobMcBob
Hamilton Brian (2) Ezio, Donny Dude
Hellenic Riot (1) DemonRHK
Bonatogether (1) brainbomb

Not Yet Voting
Celaph, e.m.c^42, Macca573, Vecna

At present, Celaph might be Celophaned
(one end vote)
Not Yet Taking Part Sufficiently
No One

Day ends in 9 ¾ hours.

British history, eh?

[dargorygel]

GM HISTORICAL COMMENT: In the general sense of "British Commonwealth history,' yes.

[BunnyGo]

Posted with five minutes left.

Oh thanks. Cross post with my subsequent post.

We should definitely daykill celaph then.

How come you didn't support this before it was pointed out that we could use celaph's flip to determine if there was a psychotrooper? I feel like you should have come to that conclusion on your own after getting an alien scan on someone.

That is suspicious