MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

He's been VT in both previous games. When has he been in a QT?

I've seen the god QT before

The God QT usually has a list of all the players at the bottom and their roles plus links within to maf QT. did you just not read all the content?

I vaguely remember that? I don't know.

[DemonRHK]

So

HR can be considered a very methodical player. Doesn't normally overlook things.

But why does his argument discount the possibility that cel is mafia? Is it because HR is mafia and knows that is not a possible outcome? They're scumbuddies and HR is trying to shade the wagon?

I don't like it, Sam I Am.

Where is he discounting that possibility?

These two posts here

I feel like there's a pretty gigantic hole in the 'daykill celaph to figure out if there's a psycho' theory in that if the roleblocker is the alien rb role then damo is never going to get any more reports anyway, so we'd be better off keeping Celaph and possibly forcing the scum team to waste an NK on him to prevent a potential clear reaching the endgame

It also strikes me that this would be a genius move from a scum damo who was under pretty significant suspicion N1 here. Not only does all attention go away from his claim, but by putting the report on someone quite suspicious there's a decent chance that this whole flip-for-confirmation idea might come up... And if it's wrong, he just goes "Hey there's a psychotrooper" - Which might in turn trick more PR's into outing with what they think are guilties when in fact they're actually innos... And even if not, damo has a great excuse for why he's not dead (I'm just getting RB'd) AND if the RB does get daykilled he can still then hail mary a guilty on someone in a few days time as well

He's making it seem like a binary result. He doesn't even account that even if not an alien cel can still be scum.

[brainbomb]

I’m undecided on the mass anti-claim. For D1 I think the only person who should claim is the lead wagon close to EOD. Then we can return to the topic tonight.

So I dont recall maniac really bringing up any of this n1

[ghug]

So

HR can be considered a very methodical player. Doesn't normally overlook things.

But why does his argument discount the possibility that cel is mafia? Is it because HR is mafia and knows that is not a possible outcome? They're scumbuddies and HR is trying to shade the wagon?

I don't like it, Sam I Am.

Where is he discounting that possibility?

These two posts here

I feel like there's a pretty gigantic hole in the 'daykill celaph to figure out if there's a psycho' theory in that if the roleblocker is the alien rb role then damo is never going to get any more reports anyway, so we'd be better off keeping Celaph and possibly forcing the scum team to waste an NK on him to prevent a potential clear reaching the endgame

It also strikes me that this would be a genius move from a scum damo who was under pretty significant suspicion N1 here. Not only does all attention go away from his claim, but by putting the report on someone quite suspicious there's a decent chance that this whole flip-for-confirmation idea might come up... And if it's wrong, he just goes "Hey there's a psychotrooper" - Which might in turn trick more PR's into outing with what they think are guilties when in fact they're actually innos... And even if not, damo has a great excuse for why he's not dead (I'm just getting RB'd) AND if the RB does get daykilled he can still then hail mary a guilty on someone in a few days time as well

He's making it seem like a binary result. He doesn't even account that even if not an alien cel can still be scum.

No

[brainbomb]

bunny didnt push much d1 lots of little reactions to everything. every opinion, every claim idea, every read someone has. but the comments are all so vapid and almost like im reading cosmo or watching tosh.o and bunny is the host who just finds everything so star studded

[brainbomb]

@ghug. I think my points on how delaying until everyone has at least signaled a town/not-town discard helps town (and reduces harm) were clear. Several people who bothered to read the rules and think agree.

relentless mechanical dicussions about best play, aliens, who was in a qt, what certain roles might do and it feels like complete filler to fluff the thread

[brainbomb]

procedural dead ends that just kept filling pages

[BobMcBob]

There are two alien conspiracy theorist cards

Dang I totally missed that. That makes it a bit more likely, but still a significant risk if he doesn't know that both weren't dealt.

If you were a conspiracist, would you CC here?

Yes, because I would've thought there was only one. But knowing that there are two, probably not. So actually yeah, that makes the play a lot more likely.

[brainbomb]

I tossed a town card, but the one concern I have is more than a third of cards were never drawn so we have no way of knowing what those were.

Thats the one concern you had? why would this even matter to you if you had two town cards?

[brainbomb]

##vote brain for at least somewhat competitive wagons

I see this is bona's thing.

It kinda sounds like youre justifying this?

[ghug]

The Safeway's on fire.

[brainbomb]

Oh is that why people are voting me?

I think at least lfischl is (was?) and Donny seemed to believe it also based on timing.

No, I don't.
Reading more of Ghug, he feels like his scum self. Most of that feeling though is based off the kgray vote earlier on where he seemed defensive about it.

This is just not even registering as anything other than levelling your vote by placing kgray responsible for its origin and not you

[brainbomb]

I'm not going to be on for maybe an hour and a half. Cya guys.

K, I don't need to know.

forced exchange

[Bonatogether]

##vote brain for at least somewhat competitive wagons

I see this is bona's thing.

It kinda sounds like youre justifying this?

It really doesn't. He was in the last game where I voted with similar logic, and he saw that I was doing it again, hence the comment.

[brainbomb]

I don't really feel like ghug is playing like he did last game - If anything there's been a very conscious effort to be as polar opposite to that as possible, with none of the coasting by "protecting" as many good players as possible (and therefore avoiding having to read them) that so characterised his play then.

disagree

if it quacks like a duck and fucks like a duck

I have to agree with brain here.
My hot take is that hr is scum mates with ghug.
Hr, would you say this lines up with ghug town play more?
Someone who drew scum again like Ghug would be pressed to change meta I would imagine.

it kinda feels like you are parroting everyone donny

[Bonatogether]

I'm not going to be on for maybe an hour and a half. Cya guys.

K, I don't need to know.

forced exchange

[brainbomb]

No

Is there something in particular that stands out?

Intent? Last game he felt lost and embraced it. This game he feels lost and yet is pushing and pretending to be confident.

I've also noticed him copying my strategy from last game of tying the wagons and bringing up new wagons to mess with scum teams. I don't know if this is conscious on his part based on last game? It seems an easy way to hide. I did it last game as VT specifically to freak out the scum team and get reads as people jumped AND to draw attention. I did not intend to survive to KiLo last game.

This kinda looks like bunnys first attempt at defending a player with reasoning

[brainbomb]

K. What is your read on Ghug then?

I think he's probably town.

Did I ask you?
No, I did not .

Also forced.

[Bonatogether]

I think he's probably town.

Did I ask you?
No, I did not .

Also forced.

Saying that ghug, Donny, and I had crappy scum theater (?)/ forced interactions on d1 is the dumbest thing I've ever heard

[brainbomb]

back to ##vote celaph

...I had a complete misremembering of bona from last game. This play and posting style now seems very similar.

So bunny pledges right beforr this to go reread bona. then he just does this instead; for memory sake; bunny later gets pushed by bona and bona then flees to push celaph on a few occasions. And there is just not much content here to call bunny sincere