MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

##call GM:

Can you explain the interactions of killing actions and the paranoid gun owner? Some possible situations:

1) murderer tries to murder gun owner. What happens?
2) strong man tries to strong man gun owner. What happens?
3) hider tries to hide behind gun owner while hider is target for death. What happens?
4) hider tries to hide behind gun owner while gun owner is targeted for death. What happens?

GM NOTES
1: There is no such role as "Murderer" in the deck. Do you mean Serial Killer?
2: Both of them would die.
3: Both of them would die, and so would the person targeting the hider.
4: Both of them would die, and so would the person targeting the Paranoid Gun Owner.

Murder is generic for kill.

MORE GM NOTES:

Ok then:

1) They would both die.

Also, Ghug, I've seen your query, I'll answer that in a moment.

[Ezio]

##vote Hamilton Brian.

The ghug wagon is solid. Good ppl are on it.

The celaph wagon is sus. Maniac is just lurking so null, but bunny and damo rubbing me the wrong way.

The maniac wagon is absolute dogshit.

Hamilton Brian is trying hard to appear to be doing work and asking questions, but is asking questions I don't think ppl would care about the answers to, or were easily available to someone who kept track of the game and was working on it in their head.

in short: trying to appear to hunt for info, but hunting for the wrong info.

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALLGM can you either clarify the specifics of interactions between the Coroner and the Psychotrooper or tell us that it's a black box?

Hi Ghug,

I don't wish to be unhelpful, but I'm also not going to spend an hour making a spreadsheet listing what each individual result would be if Role X killed Person Y, and then a Coroner investigated Dead Person Y, while there was a Psychotrooper in play, because there are so many roles in the deck and, to some degree, I'll call this if and when it happens, although you may be assured that I'll do it as logically and consistently as possible, in the circumstance. By default, a Psychotrooper, if present, causes investigatives to receive a result which is "the reverse" of the true result, as you already know. However there is not a "reverse" for every role in this deck, so in many cases the Coroner would simply have to be told that their investigation failed - there is no specific "reverse" result to give them. That may or may not have or have not already happened, or perhaps it hasn't, or has. I hope this assists you somewhat.

[ghug]

##CALLGM can you either clarify the specifics of interactions between the Coroner and the Psychotrooper or tell us that it's a black box?

Hi Ghug,

I don't wish to be unhelpful, but I'm also not going to spend an hour making a spreadsheet listing what each individual result would be if Role X killed Person Y, and then a Coroner investigated Dead Person Y, while there was a Psychotrooper in play, because there are so many roles in the deck and, to some degree, I'll call this if and when it happens, although you may be assured that I'll do it as logically and consistently as possible, in the circumstance. By default, a Psychotrooper, if present, causes investigatives to receive a result which is "the reverse" of the true result, as you already know. However there is not a "reverse" for every role in this deck, so in many cases the Coroner would simply have to be told that their investigation failed - there is no specific "reverse" result to give them. That may or may not have or have not already happened, or perhaps it hasn't, or has. I hope this assists you somewhat.

Thanks, that's a helpful answer, and I promise I'll drop this soon.

Are there examples of roles that do have a "reverse"?

[ghug]

##vote Hamilton Brian.

The ghug wagon is solid. Good ppl are on it.

The celaph wagon is sus. Maniac is just lurking so null, but bunny and damo rubbing me the wrong way.

The maniac wagon is absolute dogshit.

Hamilton Brian is trying hard to appear to be doing work and asking questions, but is asking questions I don't think ppl would care about the answers to, or were easily available to someone who kept track of the game and was working on it in their head.

in short: trying to appear to hunt for info, but hunting for the wrong info.

Do you think I'm scummy, or do you just like the people on my wagon?

[Donny Dude]

##vote Hamilton Brian.

The ghug wagon is solid. Good ppl are on it.

The celaph wagon is sus. Maniac is just lurking so null, but bunny and damo rubbing me the wrong way.

The maniac wagon is absolute dogshit.

Hamilton Brian is trying hard to appear to be doing work and asking questions, but is asking questions I don't think ppl would care about the answers to, or were easily available to someone who kept track of the game and was working on it in their head.

in short: trying to appear to hunt for info, but hunting for the wrong info.

What about bunny and Damo rub you the wrong way?

[brainbomb]

Damo using the word dogshit makes me buy him as town

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALLGM can you either clarify the specifics of interactions between the Coroner and the Psychotrooper or tell us that it's a black box?

Hi Ghug,

I don't wish to be unhelpful, but I'm also not going to spend an hour making a spreadsheet listing what each individual result would be if Role X killed Person Y, and then a Coroner investigated Dead Person Y, while there was a Psychotrooper in play, because there are so many roles in the deck and, to some degree, I'll call this if and when it happens, although you may be assured that I'll do it as logically and consistently as possible, in the circumstance. By default, a Psychotrooper, if present, causes investigatives to receive a result which is "the reverse" of the true result, as you already know. However there is not a "reverse" for every role in this deck, so in many cases the Coroner would simply have to be told that their investigation failed - there is no specific "reverse" result to give them. That may or may not have or have not already happened, or perhaps it hasn't, or has. I hope this assists you somewhat.

Thanks, that's a helpful answer, and I promise I'll drop this soon.

Are there examples of roles that do have a "reverse"?

GM NOTE

Well, for starters, there are some roles in this setup that are essentially a scum-aligned version of a role that usually appears as Town. Mafia Doctor and suchlike. You might say that was the "Reverse" of the equivalent Town role. On the other hand, I wouldn't say there was a "Reverse" of a Serial Killer, would you?

[Donny Dude]

Hamilton, What is your view on townslipping as scum?

[BunnyGo]

##CALLGM can you either clarify the specifics of interactions between the Coroner and the Psychotrooper or tell us that it's a black box?

Hi Ghug,

I don't wish to be unhelpful, but I'm also not going to spend an hour making a spreadsheet listing what each individual result would be if Role X killed Person Y, and then a Coroner investigated Dead Person Y, while there was a Psychotrooper in play, because there are so many roles in the deck and, to some degree, I'll call this if and when it happens, although you may be assured that I'll do it as logically and consistently as possible, in the circumstance. By default, a Psychotrooper, if present, causes investigatives to receive a result which is "the reverse" of the true result, as you already know. However there is not a "reverse" for every role in this deck, so in many cases the Coroner would simply have to be told that their investigation failed - there is no specific "reverse" result to give them. That may or may not have or have not already happened, or perhaps it hasn't, or has. I hope this assists you somewhat.

So unlike the other investigative roles which are eventually useful (either by figuring out psycho is alive or by killing him, the coroner is nearly useless as long as a psycho lives?

[Donny Dude]

Maniac has been a question mark for a few people; well at least two. There might be some more deserving wagons out there, but I am going to park the ##Vote Maniac for the insubstantial work. Post number 1 all the way through Post 25...just skimming the surface. Asking a question, hypothetical, but just there...not digging in the dirt.

That vote being what it is, I could also get behind a vote on Vecna, EMC, or Ezio.

What is a deserving wagon Hamilton?
I feel like Hamilton is going after lurkers on who to vote for. Just does not seem super solvy, just a lot of questions.

[BunnyGo]

##vote Hamilton Brian.

The ghug wagon is solid. Good ppl are on it.

The celaph wagon is sus. Maniac is just lurking so null, but bunny and damo rubbing me the wrong way.

The maniac wagon is absolute dogshit.

Hamilton Brian is trying hard to appear to be doing work and asking questions, but is asking questions I don't think ppl would care about the answers to, or were easily available to someone who kept track of the game and was working on it in their head.

in short: trying to appear to hunt for info, but hunting for the wrong info.

What about bunny and Damo rub you the wrong way?

I forgot the lube?

He’s had fun taunting me and now he thinks he knows me.

[Bonatogether]

##CALLGM can you either clarify the specifics of interactions between the Coroner and the Psychotrooper or tell us that it's a black box?

Hi Ghug,

I don't wish to be unhelpful, but I'm also not going to spend an hour making a spreadsheet listing what each individual result would be if Role X killed Person Y, and then a Coroner investigated Dead Person Y, while there was a Psychotrooper in play, because there are so many roles in the deck and, to some degree, I'll call this if and when it happens, although you may be assured that I'll do it as logically and consistently as possible, in the circumstance. By default, a Psychotrooper, if present, causes investigatives to receive a result which is "the reverse" of the true result, as you already know. However there is not a "reverse" for every role in this deck, so in many cases the Coroner would simply have to be told that their investigation failed - there is no specific "reverse" result to give them. That may or may not have or have not already happened, or perhaps it hasn't, or has. I hope this assists you somewhat.

So unlike the other investigative roles which are eventually useful (either by figuring out psycho is alive or by killing him, the coroner is nearly useless as long as a psycho lives?

Most investigatives are kinda bunk, since they either miss a whole scumteam (cop, conspiracy theorist) or can't distinguish between town and scum PRs (vanilla cop).

[brainbomb]

believe it or not I actually think ghug is town

[brainbomb]

I cant even really articulate why.

[ghug]

believe it or not I actually think ghug is town

Told ya

[Donny Dude]

I cant even really articulate why.

Could you give it a shot brain?

[Bonatogether]

I cant even really articulate why.

Could you give it a shot brain?

^

[ghug]

I cant even really articulate why.

Could you give it a shot brain?

Can you articulate why you think I'm scum?

[celaph]

Could be worse. RIP bozo

I was roleblocked.

Does this mean you're claiming a PR?

Last game VT were told if they were roleblocked so I expect that the answer to your question is no.