MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

I don't think it's that likely Macca would be successfully hiding as scum right now. You seem towny, but it's entirely plausible that you'd be successfully hiding as scum right now.

HR is good and a townlean. rd is good, and it seems strictly better to kill celaph than him if we want to shed light on D1.

What has Donny or Ezio done to warrant protection?

I think you're wrong about Macca, I think this is about how they'd play if they're scum.

Why is celaph better than Rivera in terms of info?

Donny has been a consistent townread of mine, and Ezio is reasonable.

They were both big wagons, so they're equal in broad strokes for VCA purposes. Celaph has actually been scummy, there's the psychotrooper question, and rd gets more "good player" credit.

Oh, I though you were saying celaph gives more VCA than Rivera. Okay.

[ghug]

I don't think it's that likely Macca would be successfully hiding as scum right now. You seem towny, but it's entirely plausible that you'd be successfully hiding as scum right now.

HR is good and a townlean. rd is good, and it seems strictly better to kill celaph than him if we want to shed light on D1.

What has Donny or Ezio done to warrant protection?

I think you're wrong about Macca, I think this is about how they'd play if they're scum.

Why is celaph better than Rivera in terms of info?

Donny has been a consistent townread of mine, and Ezio is reasonable.

And ghug how can you think Macca wouldn't be able to hide as scum right now? We're letting emc and Vecna do nothing, what would be different about Macca if they're scum?

They're actually interacting with the game when they're around, so I don't think it's really the same thing.

[jasnah]

##vote ghug

[jasnah]

Actually on second thought I don't really want to get ghug that much.

And Maniac's post several pages ago makes me rethink going for celaph.

I'm not keen on getting Maniac either.

##vote emc

[Hellenic Riot]

I have all the time in the world to change my vote. HR came in and dismissed damo immediately without considering that we could get useful info out of this. Very different to me advocating that we kill celaph, no matter where my vote is currently.

We saw last game how effective it is if cop's just sit under the radar and hold reports til late on. I don't trust damo, I think there's a lot of motivation for scum to fake there because they can skate by on it for days and cause a lot of shit, and I don't see why there'd be a rush on a psycho either or not. At the end of the day we want the cop(s) to live for a long time, and end up with a lot of reports on the same alignment, so the psychotrooper isn't really that big a deal anyway - If a cop comes out with a load of guilties they're going to know full well they've been psycho'd regardless.

But what if the cop(s) don't live for a long time? Isn't it better for them to subtly shift votes in the right direction as we go, and not sit on a bunch of info that doesn't help us until later, if it ever does? It's not like they're just keeping that info to themselves - they can't trust it at all, so it doesn't even help them solve.

You're probably right about getting lots of one result indicating whether or not we have the psychotrooper in play but I feel like that's gambling on the cops going the distance, and personally I think that the sooner town has info to steer us in the right direction, the better.

I look at it this way: The psycho information will only be useful when we have outed reports. Ideally, we really don't want to be outing reports - Especially this early in the game. And we really, really don't want to be wasting miskills on people that wouldn't actually give us clear information (because damo still wouldn't be clear *regardless* of which alignment celaph flipped).

And then throw in the fact that it's extremely unlikely that any of the investigatives that aren't damo are going to be able to get a bunch of reports without some of them dying - And hey presto, we have a very good chance that those investigatives are already going to be able to work out if there's a psycho in play without wasting a miskill in the first place

[ghug]

Actually on second thought I don't really want to get ghug that much.

And Maniac's post several pages ago makes me rethink going for celaph.

I'm not keen on getting Maniac either.

##vote emc

Are you going to start explaining your thoughts at some point?

[Hellenic Riot]

Like the only way to definitively know if there was a psycho in play would be to daykill both celaph *AND* damo - When instead, we can just let the scum NK's (or our own daykills) inform the investigatives courtesy of one of their reports inevitably being killed. We have no idea how many miskills we do or don't have - We really cannot afford to piss them away

[BunnyGo]

It also strikes me that this would be a genius move from a scum damo who was under pretty significant suspicion N1 here. Not only does all attention go away from his claim, but by putting the report on someone quite suspicious there's a decent chance that this whole flip-for-confirmation idea might come up... And if it's wrong, he just goes "Hey there's a psychotrooper" - Which might in turn trick more PR's into outing with what they think are guilties when in fact they're actually innos... And even if not, damo has a great excuse for why he's not dead (I'm just getting RB'd) AND if the RB does get daykilled he can still then hail mary a guilty on someone in a few days time as well

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That’s...

That’s something Damo would cook up...

No it's absolutely not. Do you not remember our scumchat in M61? Damo never wanted to do big psyche-out wifom plays. That was all you and Chaqa. Damo just wanted to do the numerically better play and lay low.

Damo doesn’t like plays with big gambles.

I don’t think he’d see this as a big gamble.

But you may be right. And I may be now drunk.

@damo you drinking again? I broke out the Macallan.

[BunnyGo]

Also are people not realizing that the psychotrooper messes with ALL scans? Not just alien ones? So figuring out if that role is in play is huge, otherwise our cops are basically useless.

Cops are basically useless anyways. They don’t catch SK.

[ghug]

Also are people not realizing that the psychotrooper messes with ALL scans? Not just alien ones? So figuring out if that role is in play is huge, otherwise our cops are basically useless.

Cops are basically useless anyways. They don’t catch SK.

That doesn't make them basically useless.

They are all bastards though.

[Donny Dude]

I think you're wrong about Macca, I think this is about how they'd play if they're scum.

Why is celaph better than Rivera in terms of info?

Donny has been a consistent townread of mine, and Ezio is reasonable.

And ghug how can you think Macca wouldn't be able to hide as scum right now? We're letting emc and Vecna do nothing, what would be different about Macca if they're scum?

Who is the they ghug?

They're actually interacting with the game when they're around, so I don't think it's really the same thing.

[damo666]

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That’s...

That’s something Damo would cook up...

No it's absolutely not. Do you not remember our scumchat in M61? Damo never wanted to do big psyche-out wifom plays. That was all you and Chaqa. Damo just wanted to do the numerically better play and lay low.

Damo doesn’t like plays with big gambles.

I don’t think he’d see this as a big gamble.

But you may be right. And I may be now drunk.

@damo you drinking again? I broke out the Macallan.

Not really. Had a couple of glasses of wine earlier so not really.

[Donny Dude]

And ghug how can you think Macca wouldn't be able to hide as scum right now? We're letting emc and Vecna do nothing, what would be different about Macca if they're scum?

They're actually interacting with the game when they're around, so I don't think it's really the same thing.

Who is the they ghug?

[BunnyGo]

You're not voting for celaph either.

I have all the time in the world to change my vote. HR came in and dismissed damo immediately without considering that we could get useful info out of this. Very different to me advocating that we kill celaph, no matter where my vote is currently.

We saw last game how effective it is if cop's just sit under the radar and hold reports til late on. I don't trust damo, I think there's a lot of motivation for scum to fake there because they can skate by on it for days and cause a lot of shit, and I don't see why there'd be a rush on a psycho either or not. At the end of the day we want the cop(s) to live for a long time, and end up with a lot of reports on the same alignment, so the psychotrooper isn't really that big a deal anyway - If a cop comes out with a load of guilties they're going to know full well they've been psycho'd regardless.

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Solid reasoning.

[ghug]

They're actually interacting with the game when they're around, so I don't think it's really the same thing.

Who is the they ghug?

Macca

[damo666]

Was celaph on line EOD1? Did he have an opportunity to claim?

[ghug]

I have all the time in the world to change my vote. HR came in and dismissed damo immediately without considering that we could get useful info out of this. Very different to me advocating that we kill celaph, no matter where my vote is currently.

We saw last game how effective it is if cop's just sit under the radar and hold reports til late on. I don't trust damo, I think there's a lot of motivation for scum to fake there because they can skate by on it for days and cause a lot of shit, and I don't see why there'd be a rush on a psycho either or not. At the end of the day we want the cop(s) to live for a long time, and end up with a lot of reports on the same alignment, so the psychotrooper isn't really that big a deal anyway - If a cop comes out with a load of guilties they're going to know full well they've been psycho'd regardless.

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Solid reasoning.

I don't think we should be killing celaph just based on info, but the info is definitely a valuable cherry on top if we do choose to kill him.

[ghug]

Was celaph on line EOD1? Did he have an opportunity to claim?

Posted with five minutes left.

[Donny Dude]

You, Bob, brain, damo. kgray, Macca, RHK, and Brian have temporary teaching jobs, but no tenure yet. I'm also uninterested in killing Vecna, HR, rd, or Bunny today.

That leaves celaph, Donny, emc, Ezio, jasnah, Maniac.

its weird you remembered every player

I used the bot for the last six (and rd, sorry rd).

Ghug, am I that forgettable this game?

[damo666]

Basically the odds would say if celaph didn't claim when under pressure D1 then he is a good bet to DK.

However if he was absent it is probably too big a gamble.