MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Maniac]

So let me get this straight...

There are only two possibilities. There is either (a) Alien PsychoTrooper or (b) there isn't and that role reverses all investigations. It's a fun role so good chance that if it was dealt then someone would choose it.

Damo666 has an innocent scan on Celaph which means (a1) Celaph is town or Alien. As there are far more town roles than Alien, it's more likely he is town or (b1) Celaph is Mafia.

So the recommendation is we kill Celaph to see if there is an alien PsychoTrooper.

Pros: (a2) Alien PsychoTrooper exists
1 - If Celaph flips scum we know for sure if there is a PsychoTrooper (unless he is an Alien). Because Mafia already knew if Celaph was Mafia and now he has an inno scan, they already know if there is a PsychoTrooper so they don't learn any more.
2 - we can do some VCA if celaph is Mafia
3 - we have killed a mafia
Cons:
None

Pros: (b2) Alien PsychoTrooper doesn't exists
1 - We learn that psychotrooper doesn't exist.

Cons:
1 - We lose a Townie

Are there other ways of determining if PsychoTrooper exists?
Yes. If there is no RB then damo can get a collection of scans and as soon as any of those don't tie up with their flip a Psychotrooper is exposed.
Or the Coroner can investigate a dead body and to see who killed them.

What good does knowing about PschoTropper do for us?
If Damo is RB/Killed we might never get anymore scans anyway.

On balance it's worth killing Celaph for info, that may only be VCA

[Bonatogether]

Or the Coroner can investigate a dead body and to see who killed them.

Doesn't the Coroner only see the role that kills?

[Maniac]

Or the Coroner can investigate a dead body and to see who killed them.

Doesn't the Coroner only see the role that kills?

Good point, but as if we discover the role it should tell us if we have a PsychoTrooper (I think). If we discover the role is VT for example, then we have a PsychoTrooper as VT can't kill.

[BunnyGo]

Or the Coroner can investigate a dead body and to see who killed them.

Doesn't the Coroner only see the role that kills?

Good point, but as if we discover the role it should tell us if we have a PsychoTrooper (I think). If we discover the role is VT for example, then we have a PsychoTrooper as VT can't kill.

Aliens probably don’t kill. But we’d discover if it is SK or mafia

[Bonatogether]

Or the Coroner can investigate a dead body and to see who killed them.

Doesn't the Coroner only see the role that kills?

Good point, but as if we discover the role it should tell us if we have a PsychoTrooper (I think). If we discover the role is VT for example, then we have a PsychoTrooper as VT can't kill.

##callgm Does a Psychotrooper screw with the Coroner's results, and if so, what result will it give?

[ghug]

how do you perceive yourself in terms of what you are in this game? victim? martyr? means to an end?

All of the above, I suppose. I bring this upon myself, so I don't mind it on a macro level too much. I feel like kgray's enamored by the dream of catching me and you're lost in a tunnel and talking too much about PRs, so I'm annoyed at the two of you

the spotlight is on you and there are players saying that youre just typical ghug. do you have a soft spot for HR for having that stance?

I think the way he's hedging on me reflects well on him, but it doesn't generate that much good will.

[kgray]

It also strikes me that this would be a genius move from a scum damo who was under pretty significant suspicion N1 here. Not only does all attention go away from his claim, but by putting the report on someone quite suspicious there's a decent chance that this whole flip-for-confirmation idea might come up... And if it's wrong, he just goes "Hey there's a psychotrooper" - Which might in turn trick more PR's into outing with what they think are guilties when in fact they're actually innos... And even if not, damo has a great excuse for why he's not dead (I'm just getting RB'd) AND if the RB does get daykilled he can still then hail mary a guilty on someone in a few days time as well

I feel like you're overstating the suspicion he was under.

Finally, you've said something I can agree with.

[kgray]

It also strikes me that this would be a genius move from a scum damo who was under pretty significant suspicion N1 here. Not only does all attention go away from his claim, but by putting the report on someone quite suspicious there's a decent chance that this whole flip-for-confirmation idea might come up... And if it's wrong, he just goes "Hey there's a psychotrooper" - Which might in turn trick more PR's into outing with what they think are guilties when in fact they're actually innos... And even if not, damo has a great excuse for why he's not dead (I'm just getting RB'd) AND if the RB does get daykilled he can still then hail mary a guilty on someone in a few days time as well

I feel like you're overstating the suspicion he was under.

I feel like if someone is under suspicion from both myself & kgray, and if we're both town, then they would certainly have reason to be discomfited

How does scum!damo know we're both town even if we are? And I was ever so slightly suspicious of damo, and much more actively pursuing other options. I don't even remember you scumreading him. You think that small amount of pressure is enough for damo to blurt out a fakeclaim?

[kgray]

I feel like if someone is under suspicion from both myself & kgray, and if we're both town, then they would certainly have reason to be discomfited

Why does everyone always leave me out

I didn't realise you actually suspected anyone

Okay but I agree with this more

[kgray]

Why does everyone always leave me out

I didn't realise you actually suspected anyone

Oh maybe I only voiced it by telling the aliens to deal with him

What are you referring to here?

[kgray]

I mean the fact that damo outed *ENTIRELY* to protect celaph when he was on zero votes, and then was the first vote on celaph the second the confirmation flip was suggested makes me even more suspicious here.

This is a good point. If damo is town he should have been more concerned about outing PRs here. And, he should have known there was a role which could make his scan fake, but he didn't suggest killing celaph to test if that role existed.

[kgray]

Maybe damo is an alien and one of the aliens tossed the conspiracy theorist, so they decided to let damo fake-claim that role while correctly claiming non-alien on celaph so that when celaph flips non-alien, town falsely assumes there's not psychotrooper.

But if there's really not a conspiracy theorist, why do they care about town's scans getting messed up? Is it worth it for them to secretly have that information?

[kgray]

so is the awkward silence everyone collectively saying to themself, man I wish I had bb’s role, being weird non town sucks.

And how does it feel to be a weird townie, brain?

[kgray]

im restless because I think we wanna eliminate a faction from contention and at this point town can only lose by a landslide of bad moves

Why don't you channel your restlessness into finding actual scum, then.

Why don't you?

[ghug]

I didn't realise you actually suspected anyone

Oh maybe I only voiced it by telling the aliens to deal with him

What are you referring to here?

I figured that damo was either VT or mafia because his shenanigans didn't make sense as someone who would fear a nightkill, and was leaning towards the latter because he felt like scum damo, so I encouraged the aliens to target him with something.

[kgray]

It also strikes me that this would be a genius move from a scum damo who was under pretty significant suspicion N1 here. Not only does all attention go away from his claim, but by putting the report on someone quite suspicious there's a decent chance that this whole flip-for-confirmation idea might come up... And if it's wrong, he just goes "Hey there's a psychotrooper" - Which might in turn trick more PR's into outing with what they think are guilties when in fact they're actually innos... And even if not, damo has a great excuse for why he's not dead (I'm just getting RB'd) AND if the RB does get daykilled he can still then hail mary a guilty on someone in a few days time as well

...

That’s...

That’s something Damo would cook up...

No it's absolutely not. Do you not remember our scumchat in M61? Damo never wanted to do big psyche-out wifom plays. That was all you and Chaqa. Damo just wanted to do the numerically better play and lay low.

[ghug]

Maybe damo is an alien and one of the aliens tossed the conspiracy theorist, so they decided to let damo fake-claim that role while correctly claiming non-alien on celaph so that when celaph flips non-alien, town falsely assumes there's not psychotrooper.

But if there's really not a conspiracy theorist, why do they care about town's scans getting messed up? Is it worth it for them to secretly have that information?

I think the straightforward explanation is most likely the right one here.

[ghug]

im restless because I think we wanna eliminate a faction from contention and at this point town can only lose by a landslide of bad moves

Why don't you channel your restlessness into finding actual scum, then.

Why don't you?

I am. You're voting for a townie.

[kgray]

Also are people not realizing that the psychotrooper messes with ALL scans? Not just alien ones? So figuring out if that role is in play is huge, otherwise our cops are basically useless.

[brainbomb]

so is the awkward silence everyone collectively saying to themself, man I wish I had bb’s role, being weird non town sucks.

And how does it feel to be a weird townie, brain?

Im usually town and usually you realize it pretty fast