MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

kgray, is there a specific team you think I'm on, or is it a "generally shitty" sort of read?

I think you're mafia and celaph is the underdog, yeah.

You think my EoD makes sense with celaph as a teammate on what's probably a small team?

Oh that's the one they don't know at the beginning

[kgray]

"think" really means "idk what it's called"

I also saw the jailer and assumed it was one of the JOAT roles because people were talking about the JOAT.

I don't get how town!ghug is RB'd and doesn't use that information to learn about what roles may or may not be in the game or to solve in any way. Like how could you not have checked these things?

I think you were trying to appear not to have as much information as you did.

I don't see where you got the impression that I didn't use that information to learn about which roles are in the game?

Why didn't you *know* the underdog role was an option?

I looked it up before claiming and there's an alien prober, and I think someone mentioned a mafia role that gets the abilities of the first person to die.

[kgray]

I think you're mafia and celaph is the underdog, yeah.

You think my EoD makes sense with celaph as a teammate on what's probably a small team?

Oh that's the one they don't know at the beginning

Yup. And I think you two were scumreading each other D1, and that all suddenly vanished at night, especially with celaph coming in with that incredibly weak "ghug is town for not caring about which townie dies" defense.

[ghug]

I don't get how town!ghug is RB'd and doesn't use that information to learn about what roles may or may not be in the game or to solve in any way. Like how could you not have checked these things?

I think you were trying to appear not to have as much information as you did.

I don't see where you got the impression that I didn't use that information to learn about which roles are in the game?

Why didn't you *know* the underdog role was an option?

I looked it up before claiming and there's an alien prober, and I think someone mentioned a mafia role that gets the abilities of the first person to die.

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. I didn't know what the role was called or how it worked, because I had only heard about it from HR after fishy died, and I only searched for the word "roleblock" on page one.

[ghug]

You think my EoD makes sense with celaph as a teammate on what's probably a small team?

Oh that's the one they don't know at the beginning

Yup. And I think you two were scumreading each other D1, and that all suddenly vanished at night, especially with celaph coming in with that incredibly weak "ghug is town for not caring about which townie dies" defense.

Didn't I actively encourage a vig shot on celaph?

[ghug]

Why would you be higher?

It would be a bad shot in the sense that I'm town, but from the vig prospective my flip gives lots of info.

Yes kill this one please

[kgray]

I don't see where you got the impression that I didn't use that information to learn about which roles are in the game?

Why didn't you *know* the underdog role was an option?

I looked it up before claiming and there's an alien prober, and I think someone mentioned a mafia role that gets the abilities of the first person to die.

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. I didn't know what the role was called or how it worked, because I had only heard about it from HR after fishy died, and I only searched for the word "roleblock" on page one.

If you knew about the role that takes the first dead PR's powers, and you later searched for "roleblock" and that search brought up the first dead PR, then it's a pretty easy connection to make that one possible RB is that mafia role.

[ghug]

I also rebutted bozo's clearing of celaph for not claiming and was pretty compelled by the contrasts to his excellent performance on the block in his first game, so it's not really clear to me where you got the idea that my scumread dropped off.

[kgray]

It would be a bad shot in the sense that I'm town, but from the vig prospective my flip gives lots of info.

Yes kill this one please

Okay. But how often do vigs listen to this kind of thing?

[ghug]

Why didn't you *know* the underdog role was an option?

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. I didn't know what the role was called or how it worked, because I had only heard about it from HR after fishy died, and I only searched for the word "roleblock" on page one.

If you knew about the role that takes the first dead PR's powers, and you later searched for "roleblock" and that search brought up the first dead PR, then it's a pretty easy connection to make that one possible RB is that mafia role.

Which is why I mentioned it when I was listing the roleblock options?

[kgray]

I also rebutted bozo's clearing of celaph for not claiming and was pretty compelled by the contrasts to his excellent performance on the block in his first game, so it's not really clear to me where you got the idea that my scumread dropped off.

Ohhhh celaph couldn't claim because he didn't know what his role was!!

[ghug]

Yes kill this one please

Okay. But how often do vigs listen to this kind of thing?

Not terribly uncommonly actually, but it's more that the characterization of it "suddenly vanish[ing] at night" is inaccurate, as I was clearly expressing a desire to see celaph dead.

[kgray]

I also rebutted bozo's clearing of celaph for not claiming and was pretty compelled by the contrasts to his excellent performance on the block in his first game, so it's not really clear to me where you got the idea that my scumread dropped off.

Ohhhh celaph couldn't claim because he didn't know what his role was!!

But to answer your point: you haven't pushed him at all today, despite him being one of your 3 scumreads from D1 (one of which was lfischl). And I definitely buy that you'd be more subtle in your read changing than he would.

[ghug]

I also rebutted bozo's clearing of celaph for not claiming and was pretty compelled by the contrasts to his excellent performance on the block in his first game, so it's not really clear to me where you got the idea that my scumread dropped off.

Ohhhh celaph couldn't claim because he didn't know what his role was!!

Or because he was straight up scum on a small team who'd already claimed a discard, which would suggest that he either actually discarded the goon or that the role he discarded was verifiable.

[ghug]

I also rebutted bozo's clearing of celaph for not claiming and was pretty compelled by the contrasts to his excellent performance on the block in his first game, so it's not really clear to me where you got the idea that my scumread dropped off.

Ohhhh celaph couldn't claim because he didn't know what his role was!!

But to answer your point: you haven't pushed him at all today, despite him being one of your 3 scumreads from D1 (one of which was lfischl). And I definitely buy that you'd be more subtle in your read changing than he would.

I've only pushed two people so far today, and both were attempts to put pressure on lurkers. I don't think that's a fair expectation.

[kgray]

Ohhhh celaph couldn't claim because he didn't know what his role was!!

But to answer your point: you haven't pushed him at all today, despite him being one of your 3 scumreads from D1 (one of which was lfischl). And I definitely buy that you'd be more subtle in your read changing than he would.

I've only pushed two people so far today, and both were attempts to put pressure on lurkers. I don't think that's a fair expectation.

Maybe.

Okay, I'm going to stop taking over the thread with this. I think we should kill celaph today so we can know asap if town can trust their scans. If celaph is actually town then that sucks, but I don't think he is, and I think it's worth it to know about the psychotrooper role regardless.

[ghug]

But to answer your point: you haven't pushed him at all today, despite him being one of your 3 scumreads from D1 (one of which was lfischl). And I definitely buy that you'd be more subtle in your read changing than he would.

I've only pushed two people so far today, and both were attempts to put pressure on lurkers. I don't think that's a fair expectation.

Maybe.

Okay, I'm going to stop taking over the thread with this. I think we should kill celaph today so we can know asap if town can trust their scans. If celaph is actually town then that sucks, but I don't think he is, and I think it's worth it to know about the psychotrooper role regardless.

I'm on board with this. I don't really want it to become me vs. celaph with over a day left in the day though, so I'm gonna stay on Maniac for now.

[brainbomb]

I am offended for kgray that ghug felt she would be the easier one to mindwarp out of eliminating him.

Do you really think I cant be reasoned with ghug, or sorry, I mean bamboozled?

[brainbomb]

all you really seem to be focused on is not dying which tells me youre the sk

[brainbomb]

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... ser=celaph

Celaph ISO is really good. Hes engaged, asking people about votes, discussing playstyles of bona and ghug to name a few.

What is so scummy in here?