MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BobMcBob]

I think they're going to be hunting each other, yes, but they still mostly just need to hang back and not die. Part of that also depends on how many are on each team, I think, but in general it's harder in this game to figure out who's faking it because they can still be "solving" but at the end of the day it's not their priority.

I pretty strongly disagree with this. Since it's day 2 I feel more comfortable talking about optimal scumplay since they've already been able to talk in their QT.

I think they absolutely should be at the forefront of scumhunting, leading the charge as much as possible on the other team.

It's normally a bad idea to scumhunt as scum b/c you have perfect information and it's very hard to look natural while doing it. It's very difficult to tunnel convincingly when you know you're talking out of your ass, for example. If you get caught with extra information, it's lights out.

In this game, scum have limited information. I believe they absolutely should be pushing as much as they possibly can as frequently as they possibly can because of how much easier it is. Their priority is obviously getting townread still, but scumhunting (and catching a scum) is probably the #1 way to get townread on this forum.

Okay. I'm not entirely sure I agree with you. In games I've played, I think successful scum are typically those who hang back and watch.

But assuming you're right, what is your suggestion? That we hunt by looking for the most active hunters? Or are you saying we just have nothing to go off of until we get a scum flip?

I believe he means best way to get townread on this forum in the context of this setup. And assuming there is a scum or two hiding among the high-posters, other than ghug who's scumread anyway, he's probably right.

[BobMcBob]

@Ghug
@kgray

Since you're both around I have some fun information for y'all to play with.

I discarded the town's doctor.

Love it.

Here's a question for anyone around: Should the paranoid gun owner claim?

Pro: Saves town investigatives and doctors from accidntally getting shot
Pro: I don't think they can be killed without taking enemies out first (someone check me on this)
Con: They don't use their power offensively

But...could be nice?

The only use for Paranoid Gun Owner is baiting a NK, so how claiming it makes sense?

Because it can actively hurt town if town PR's visit it instead. It's not really a positive role for us. Maybe they should try to draw the NK instead but half the people in this game don't have that ability, probably the same people most likely to be scanned.

[BobMcBob]

Treating a small scumteam as an sk is a bad approach to take because they have more than 1 vote and almost certainly have various special abilities that they can use to screw with town

How many mafia can there be? I'm guessing 1...

lmao can you imagine being that backup role that finds out their team on N1 only to learn that they're alone?

That would honestly be hilarious.

[BobMcBob]

emc is so clearly scum we can hammer him. I miss the warmth of my night mason chat

What makes you say that? I vastly prefer the ghug wagon.

[BobMcBob]

ask me a question

What is your perspective about pineapple on pizza?

[rdrivera2005]

Calling on citizens who want answers to join me at this point

##vote rdriv

What answers you will get when I flip town?

Anyway, I am not the kill today.

[BobMcBob]

ask me a question

What do you think about what happened n1 knowing there's no town doctor?

Okay this makes sense now about what he wanted to achieve with his claim earlier. Personally I'm about 50/50 on no SK vs SK withdrew kill. If SK withdrew kill then I assume they're not a noob because noobs wouldn't naturally think of this course of action.

[rdrivera2005]

Love it.

Here's a question for anyone around: Should the paranoid gun owner claim?

Pro: Saves town investigatives and doctors from accidntally getting shot
Pro: I don't think they can be killed without taking enemies out first (someone check me on this)
Con: They don't use their power offensively

But...could be nice?

The only use for Paranoid Gun Owner is baiting a NK, so how claiming it makes sense?

Because it can actively hurt town if town PR's visit it instead. It's not really a positive role for us. Maybe they should try to draw the NK instead but half the people in this game don't have that ability, probably the same people most likely to be scanned.

I 100% agree with you.

[BobMcBob]

Unless they're HR. Do not reveal any louds.

lmao yes, except if they're HR. If anyone hears HR then they should definitely claim and we'll hammer him.

I live for the reality where HR drew two loud roles and then can't act because he claimed his discard.

This would be unfortunate but absolutely hilarious lol. Luckily very unlikely.

[damo666]

Discard claims:

Options are stating a specific role, town/not town, town/mafia/alien, or choosing not to answer.

Bob: Mafia compulsive hider
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Mafia RB
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK: town
Donny: Enabler
emc: town
Ezio: Town Doctor
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton: chooses not to answer
HR: Mafia Loud Role Cop
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien Bulletproof Lover
Macca:
Mania​c: Commuter
rdrivera: town
Vecna: VT

I think we should vote from the Mafia goon claimants as being the most likely to hold interesting scum roles.

Let's start with ##vote Bona

[Jamiet99uk]

What do you think about what happened n1 knowing there's no town doctor?

sk holstering had been mentioned as possible
ghug doing maf nk and getting rb is possible
sk hitting a bp is possible

Someone ran a game recently where roleblocks just changed who performed the NK rather than preventing it entirely.

##CALLGM Which is it here?

GM NOTE
The Mafia NK, if there is one, will be performed by a specific player on the Mafia team, if such a team exists, as determined by the Mafia Voting rules on page 1 of this thread. If that specific person were to be Roleblocked, said Mafia NK would not occur.

(The roleblock mechanic you are describing is odd, and I do not recall it, it is certainly not standard procedure)

[Jamiet99uk]

Do we get told if we're vanilla'd if we're already vanilla? ##call gm

GM NOTE

I assume this query relates specifically to the Vanillaizer role.

If a player loses their powers due to being successfully visited by the Vanillaizer, they will be notified of this.

If a player does not have any powers (because, for example, they are a VT), they would not be notified of the Vanillaizer's visit, because it has no effect.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think that's all the un-answered Call GMs, do let me know if I missed one.

[Jamiet99uk]

Mulder pulled up outside the nondescript brick warehouse.

He checked the business card again. This was the right place.

He got out of the car, just avoiding planting his foot into a puddle. The pot-holed parking lot was almost empty of other vehicles, but two Asian men stood talking next to a battered looking fork-lift. They stopped talking as he approached.

"Agent Mulder. F.B.I."

Vote Count 2.1

ghug (5) - kgray, Bonatogether, Ezio, Brainbomb, Maniac
Maniac (3) - BunnyGo, ghug, Donny Dude
e.m.c^42 (1) - Hellenic Riot
rdrivera2005 (1) - jasnah
Bonatogether (1) - damo666

Currently GHUG is the lead wagon.

Macca573 has not participated, and several people have not voted yet.

More than 34 hours remain.

[BobMcBob]

Discard claims:

Options are stating a specific role, town/not town, town/mafia/alien, or choosing not to answer.

Bob: Mafia compulsive hider
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Mafia RB
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK: town
Donny: Enabler
emc: town
Ezio: Town Doctor
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton: chooses not to answer
HR: Mafia Loud Role Cop
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien Bulletproof Lover
Macca:
Mania​c: Commuter
rdrivera: town
Vecna: VT

I think we should vote from the Mafia goon claimants as being the most likely to hold interesting scum roles.

Let's start with ##vote Bona

Why start with bona? What makes you vote him over ghug or celaph?

[BobMcBob]

Do we get told if we're vanilla'd if we're already vanilla? ##call gm

GM NOTE

I assume this query relates specifically to the Vanillaizer role.

If a player loses their powers due to being successfully visited by the Vanillaizer, they will be notified of this.

If a player does not have any powers (because, for example, they are a VT), they would not be notified of the Vanillaizer's visit, because it has no effect.

##call gm if the miller or tentacled townie get vanillaized, will they be told this is the case?

[BobMcBob]

I don't think your an idiot. I'm sorry I made you feel that.

I think your approach to mafia is not the best approach for town. Your conviction pushing your approach anti town approach leads to many losses for town. Many very smart people have been convinced they are correct and gone very far down their rabbit hole.

Ezio when is the last time you played with brainbomb?

Probably was my last game on here, which was at least 1.5 years ago? I think I took a reasonable break before that one too, so idk.

You played in M50 at least, I don't think M50 was that long ago.

[BobMcBob]

When I voted Rdrivera, celaph had zero votes. I then asked for a case on celaph because I'd seen nothing of the sort in advance of the flashwagon forming there. Ironically the only person who gave any sort of reasonable point there was Bona; but I didn't really feel that celaph was that different to normal and I also feel that he's been a pretty decent (though not very scary, sorry ghug) player who would be more useful to keep around than lfischl - I didn't like either option though.

As I said at the time, I didn't really disagree with the case on rdrivera and the fact he was acting the same as last game wasn't actually towntell, because in both d1's he essentially did nothing and made no reads. I didn't like going after him based solely on that because that's what I did last game - And I was wrong. But when it came to a point where there were three options (rdrivera, lfischl, and Bunny) then I absolutely preferred rdrivera to the other two. And I still preferred him to celaph, too.

Assuming you also think Rivera is a decent player, why did you prefer Rivera to celaph if you were null on both of them? Why is celaph more useful to keep around than lfischl, but Rivera isn't?

And none of this explains your (fake, imo) outrage that people weren't trying to prevent a tie when you stayed away from the top two wagons for the ten minutes before EOD.

Rdrivera has an unfortunate habit of scumreading me in almost every single game we play, so I don't especially subscribe to that first point

It's quite simple: I was not concerned about there being a possibility of a tie even when the vote was tied by ghug, because it only took one person to break it. When Bona started pulling his shit that equation drastically changed, so I started actively trying to prevent it - As did ghug. I really do not understand why nobody else was sparked into action by that, especially as every single player except for Bozo/Vecna/Macca/rdrivera and apparently Bob was present (And Bob turned up immediately afterward). Two people out of 16 is a pretty pathetic level of engagement and I really can't understand why so many people were happy to coast to a tie there

I was not present, I had barely arrived at school when the day ended. By about five minutes later I had moved to my first class though, and came on.

[brainbomb]

ask me a question

What is your perspective about pineapple on pizza?

The people who hate it are strange because they never say the reason why pineapple pizza isnt good. Pineapple is very watery and makes pizza soggy, it does taste okay but its not really in very many toppin combos because its mostly just a gimmick with ham. that being said I love pineaple and a way to make it better would be to use a spicy pineapple chutney as the base instead of marinara sauce

[brainbomb]

What would you like me to do with this information?

WIFOM yourself into oblivion trying to work out what he would've discarded doc for?

Actually, I have a different thought on this that's a little strange, but counterproductive for town if I'm right and I say it, so I won't. I'm not bona.

ive been up all night scouring the game for cop crumbs, hoping to out the cop today— for their safety of course