MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

This looks like more cautious brainbomb to me. It's d2 and he's only softed claims, rather than hardclaiming.

When he's scum, his goal is to further his team in the game. He'll act erratically when he feels pressured or to PR fish. When he's town, his goal is reactions and drawing a nightkill. I see more of that here.

I agree with that. BB also puts on acts when he's scum to fit our meta read of him. They're used to be very easy to spot, and he hasn't done them yet.

I think the townread is accurate, but I disagree with the rationale.

It's less this specific moment that's making me feel this way and more the adopted swagger from the second half of D1, and the way he reacted to my vote.

[Donny Dude]

Discard claims:

Options are stating a specific role, town/not town, town/mafia/alien, or choosing not to answer.

Bob: Mafia compulsive hider
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Mafia RB
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK: town
Donny: Enabler
emc: town
Ezio:
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton: chooses not to answer
HR: Mafia Loud Role Cop
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien Bulletproof Lover
Macca:
Mania​c: Commuter
rdrivera: town
Vecna: VT

[ghug]

lol okay ghug

##vote ghug

You approve of brain's antics?

I don't have an opinion on brain's antics. I don't approve of how fake I think you're being this game.

You're wrong.

[kgray]

Stop

lol okay ghug

##vote ghug

Why? I don't see it. Was just reading his game from M63 and he had reads galore and was trying to lead town.

Do you think he's changed his style?

I just don't feel like he's trying, as either alignment really, and I think he's scum who is sick of being scum. I can't think of any original takes he's had, I don't feel like we're bouncing ideas off of each other like we did in M62, and he's not even trying to take credit for my points.

He's just... around. And I think he's trying to do things that make him look towny, and I'm not buying it.

[Ezio]

@Ghug
@kgray

Since you're both around I have some fun information for y'all to play with.

I discarded the town's doctor.

[ghug]

@Ghug
@kgray

Since you're both around I have some fun information for y'all to play with.

I discarded the town's doctor.

I'm the priest and I do not approve this message

[kgray]

So do you think the scumteams are going after each other, since the town is going to be chasing its own tail the first few days?

I think they're going to be hunting each other, yes, but they still mostly just need to hang back and not die. Part of that also depends on how many are on each team, I think, but in general it's harder in this game to figure out who's faking it because they can still be "solving" but at the end of the day it's not their priority.

Should we push a 2nd lfischl wagon voter or a celaph voter today?

I don't really care about which category they come from, but I find the lfischl voters scummier in general.

[kgray]

I already basically outed them, so there's not much more point in beating around the bush.

You shared your opinion.

Their responses made it pretty clear.

Well, brain's response made it clear he was cool with you mason-reading him. Not sure that's exactly confirmation, coming from brain, king of fakeclaims lol

[kgray]

Seriously though why is kgray voting for me?

Why does it bother you that much?

[Bonatogether]

You shared your opinion.

Their responses made it pretty clear.

Well, brain's response made it clear he was cool with you mason-reading him. Not sure that's exactly confirmation, coming from brain, king of fakeclaims lol

Demon was evading all my questions, and you're not denying it either

[ghug]

You shared your opinion.

Their responses made it pretty clear.

Well, brain's response made it clear he was cool with you mason-reading him. Not sure that's exactly confirmation, coming from brain, king of fakeclaims lol

I just don't get why you find my reaction to this scummy if you agree with it.

[BunnyGo]

@Ghug
@kgray

Since you're both around I have some fun information for y'all to play with.

I discarded the town's doctor.

Love it.

Here's a question for anyone around: Should the paranoid gun owner claim?

Pro: Saves town investigatives and doctors from accidntally getting shot
Pro: I don't think they can be killed without taking enemies out first (someone check me on this)
Con: They don't use their power offensively

But...could be nice?

[kgray]

I feel like emc reads were just people he has played with a lot.

I think emc uses a lot of meta (like detailed, specific styling meta) reads so that's pretty normal. The lack of effort is not, though.

[BunnyGo]

So do you think the scumteams are going after each other, since the town is going to be chasing its own tail the first few days?

I think they're going to be hunting each other, yes, but they still mostly just need to hang back and not die. Part of that also depends on how many are on each team, I think, but in general it's harder in this game to figure out who's faking it because they can still be "solving" but at the end of the day it's not their priority.

Should we push a 2nd lfischl wagon voter or a celaph voter today?

I don't really care about which category they come from, but I find the lfischl voters scummier in general.

You disagree that we only have 1 scum team, and an SK or 2?

[Ezio]

So do you think the scumteams are going after each other, since the town is going to be chasing its own tail the first few days?

I think they're going to be hunting each other, yes, but they still mostly just need to hang back and not die. Part of that also depends on how many are on each team, I think, but in general it's harder in this game to figure out who's faking it because they can still be "solving" but at the end of the day it's not their priority.

I pretty strongly disagree with this. Since it's day 2 I feel more comfortable talking about optimal scumplay since they've already been able to talk in their QT.

I think they absolutely should be at the forefront of scumhunting, leading the charge as much as possible on the other team.

It's normally a bad idea to scumhunt as scum b/c you have perfect information and it's very hard to look natural while doing it. It's very difficult to tunnel convincingly when you know you're talking out of your ass, for example. If you get caught with extra information, it's lights out.

In this game, scum have limited information. I believe they absolutely should be pushing as much as they possibly can as frequently as they possibly can because of how much easier it is. Their priority is obviously getting townread still, but scumhunting (and catching a scum) is probably the #1 way to get townread on this forum.

[kgray]

@Ghug
@kgray

Since you're both around I have some fun information for y'all to play with.

I discarded the town's doctor.

What would you like me to do with this information?

[Donny Dude]

Discard claims:

Options are stating a specific role, town/not town, town/mafia/alien, or choosing not to answer.

Bob: Mafia compulsive hider
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Mafia RB
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK: town
Donny: Enabler
emc: town
Ezio: Town Doctor
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton: chooses not to answer
HR: Mafia Loud Role Cop
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien Bulletproof Lover
Macca:
Mania​c: Commuter
rdrivera: town
Vecna: VT

[Bonatogether]

So do you think the scumteams are going after each other, since the town is going to be chasing its own tail the first few days?

I think they're going to be hunting each other, yes, but they still mostly just need to hang back and not die. Part of that also depends on how many are on each team, I think, but in general it's harder in this game to figure out who's faking it because they can still be "solving" but at the end of the day it's not their priority.

Should we push a 2nd lfischl wagon voter or a celaph voter today?

I don't really care about which category they come from, but I find the lfischl voters scummier in general.

You disagree that we only have 1 scum team, and an SK or 2?

Treating a small scumteam as an sk is a bad approach to take because they have more than 1 vote and almost certainly have various special abilities that they can use to screw with town

[BunnyGo]

I think they're going to be hunting each other, yes, but they still mostly just need to hang back and not die. Part of that also depends on how many are on each team, I think, but in general it's harder in this game to figure out who's faking it because they can still be "solving" but at the end of the day it's not their priority.



I don't really care about which category they come from, but I find the lfischl voters scummier in general.

You disagree that we only have 1 scum team, and an SK or 2?

Treating a small scumteam as an sk is a bad approach to take because they have more than 1 vote and almost certainly have various special abilities that they can use to screw with town

How many mafia can there be? I'm guessing 1...

[Bonatogether]

You disagree that we only have 1 scum team, and an SK or 2?

Treating a small scumteam as an sk is a bad approach to take because they have more than 1 vote and almost certainly have various special abilities that they can use to screw with town

How many mafia can there be? I'm guessing 1...

Assuming everyone's been honest about their discard claims, yes, but we can't check this.