MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

is there any reason that role madness alone would just spiral him back into his old habits

I don't know him well enough to say with any confidence, but you of all people should know that people can come into games in different emotional states and behave differently because of it.

name a movie that has a title that could sum up emcs play so far

Gone Girl

[Hellenic Riot]

I don't know him well enough to say with any confidence, but you of all people should know that people can come into games in different emotional states and behave differently because of it.

name a movie that has a title that could sum up emcs play so far

Gone Girl

I watched this with a date once; most awkward date of my life

[bozotheclown]

celaph's wagon came up pretty quick, so I would not take him not claiming PR as evidence that he is actually a VT.

You think that bona breaking a tie to put Rivera in the lead makes him likely to be Rivera's partner?

Yes, if rdrivera is scum, he may have deviated from his voting pattern to distance from rdrivera. Then, when rdrivera and celaph were tied, Bonatogether switched his vote from rdrivera to celaph, changing a tie to a 2 vote lead for celaph, despite claiming to be causing ties whenever possible.

celaph was in the lead when he last posted 5 minutes before EOD. He had plenty of time to make a claim if he wanted to make sure he survived D1.

In addition to townreading bona for other reasons, I do not think his votes at EOD can be explained as being deliberate at all (with the exception of him tying it with 2 minutes left). The way he was moving around doesn't feel at all like he was considering how his votes would look with VCA.

And I think celaph's response to being on the block was so different from in M62. In that game, we still had several miskills left, and he was a VT, and he actually fought back and cared and posted his reads. He came out of it super towny. Here, he sort of just waited around and seemed like he was hoping to get out of it. It seemed more like he was afraid to say the wrong thing.

In M62, celaph's only post in the last 19 minutes of D5 was his post where he gave reads.

[brainbomb]

I was gonna say dead before dawn

[kgray]

Yes, if rdrivera is scum, he may have deviated from his voting pattern to distance from rdrivera. Then, when rdrivera and celaph were tied, Bonatogether switched his vote from rdrivera to celaph, changing a tie to a 2 vote lead for celaph, despite claiming to be causing ties whenever possible.

celaph was in the lead when he last posted 5 minutes before EOD. He had plenty of time to make a claim if he wanted to make sure he survived D1.

In addition to townreading bona for other reasons, I do not think his votes at EOD can be explained as being deliberate at all (with the exception of him tying it with 2 minutes left). The way he was moving around doesn't feel at all like he was considering how his votes would look with VCA.

And I think celaph's response to being on the block was so different from in M62. In that game, we still had several miskills left, and he was a VT, and he actually fought back and cared and posted his reads. He came out of it super towny. Here, he sort of just waited around and seemed like he was hoping to get out of it. It seemed more like he was afraid to say the wrong thing.

I disagree with the last part here. The reason why celaph came out of that day looking so townie was because of his resigned post at the end where he said we 'should look at ghug because he'd been on yet another miskill' - Because celaph thought he was dead, when in fact there was a last second switch.

I forgot about that detail and don't remember it being a factor in that EOD strengthening my townread of him. I was referring more to the fact that he spent what could have been his last half hour or so putting together his reads. Granted, that was D5 and this is D1, so there's less to go on in this game.

But still, here he didn't even attempt to share his thoughts. He justified his vote for Bunny (weak but not unreasonable), didn't want to support a Rivera wagon because he said Rivera's low activity was NAI, and voted for lfischl presumably for self-preservation, which I don't think is scummy on it's own. But then he spent the last ~10 minutes sort of weakly defending himself (and he questioned ghug's Ezio vote). He wasn't trying to leave town with whatever reads he had so far.

And yeah, he also had less time this game because his wagon popped up closer to EOD, so I wouldn't have expected him to give as detailed of a list as before. But his attitude was still different. It wasn't "let me do what I can to help town solve" or even fight back against his wagon, it was "I hope I don't get killed."

[kgray]

Bozo is talking about the fact that if celaph is scum, he could have claimed a town PR to try to save himself before EOD. Celaph already claimed to have discarded mafia goon.

So likely that Celaph is town, or still pretty inconclusive?

I guess if I am to work with my logic, Celaph as scum could claim, and there'd be repercussions if caught in the lie. As town, no need to give scum a better NK pool?

Bozo is using this to townread celaph. I am not as convinced, because I think he could have been hoping the vote would swing in his favor and not wanting to get caught in a lie.

[kgray]

Yes, if rdrivera is scum, he may have deviated from his voting pattern to distance from rdrivera. Then, when rdrivera and celaph were tied, Bonatogether switched his vote from rdrivera to celaph, changing a tie to a 2 vote lead for celaph, despite claiming to be causing ties whenever possible.

celaph was in the lead when he last posted 5 minutes before EOD. He had plenty of time to make a claim if he wanted to make sure he survived D1.

In addition to townreading bona for other reasons, I do not think his votes at EOD can be explained as being deliberate at all (with the exception of him tying it with 2 minutes left). The way he was moving around doesn't feel at all like he was considering how his votes would look with VCA.

And I think celaph's response to being on the block was so different from in M62. In that game, we still had several miskills left, and he was a VT, and he actually fought back and cared and posted his reads. He came out of it super towny. Here, he sort of just waited around and seemed like he was hoping to get out of it. It seemed more like he was afraid to say the wrong thing.

In M62, celaph's only post in the last 19 minutes of D5 was his post where he gave reads.

Yes, because he spent that time typing up his reads... That's my point. He was putting effort there as he was on the block because he knew his job was to help solve. Here he didn't do that.

[kgray]

name a movie that has a title that could sum up emcs play so far

Gone Girl

I watched this with a date once; most awkward date of my life

What did the movie have to do with it?

[Donny Dude]

My gut has been consistently saying obnoxious town. Maybe I'm wrong and I probably missed half her posts but that's the way it's come off so far.

I have a similar read too.

Same question, Donny. Is she towny because she's obnoxious or for other reasons?

Mostly the first, seems hard to replicate as scum.
What do you think kgray?

[Donny Dude]

Bozo is talking about the fact that if celaph is scum, he could have claimed a town PR to try to save himself before EOD. Celaph already claimed to have discarded mafia goon.

So likely that Celaph is town, or still pretty inconclusive?

I guess if I am to work with my logic, Celaph as scum could claim, and there'd be repercussions if caught in the lie. As town, no need to give scum a better NK pool?

It could be celaph as scum knew he would not be killed?
But Bona's ties up in last few minutes makes that unlikely.

Bozo is using this to townread celaph. I am not as convinced, because I think he could have been hoping the vote would swing in his favor and not wanting to get caught in a lie.

[Bonatogether]

So likely that Celaph is town, or still pretty inconclusive?

I guess if I am to work with my logic, Celaph as scum could claim, and there'd be repercussions if caught in the lie. As town, no need to give scum a better NK pool?

It could be celaph as scum knew he would not be killed?
But Bona's ties up in last few minutes makes that unlikely.

Bozo is using this to townread celaph. I am not as convinced, because I think he could have been hoping the vote would swing in his favor and not wanting to get caught in a lie.

?

[Donny Dude]

Bozo is using this to townread celaph. I am not as convinced, because I think he could have been hoping the vote would swing in his favor and not wanting to get caught in a lie.

?

It could be celaph as scum knew he would not be killed?
But Bona's ties up in last few minutes makes that unlikely.

[Hamilton Brian]

is there any reason that role madness alone would just spiral him back into his old habits

I don't know him well enough to say with any confidence, but you of all people should know that people can come into games in different emotional states and behave differently because of it.

name a movie that has a title that could sum up emcs play so far

Cool Hand Luke? Run Silent Run Deep?

[bozotheclown]

Bozo is talking about the fact that if celaph is scum, he could have claimed a town PR to try to save himself before EOD. Celaph already claimed to have discarded mafia goon.

So likely that Celaph is town, or still pretty inconclusive?

I guess if I am to work with my logic, Celaph as scum could claim, and there'd be repercussions if caught in the lie. As town, no need to give scum a better NK pool?

Bozo is using this to townread celaph. I am not as convinced, because I think he could have been hoping the vote would swing in his favor and not wanting to get caught in a lie.

It is possible celaph is SK or scum with no teammates or only 1 teammate, where there would be no value in forcing a CC.

[Bonatogether]

It could be celaph as scum knew he would not be killed?
But Bona's ties up in last few minutes makes that unlikely.

I think this is likely.

[Hellenic Riot]

Gone Girl

I watched this with a date once; most awkward date of my life

What did the movie have to do with it?

That just hurts

[e.m.c^42]

this is one of the most alarming regressions in effort ive ever seen. You could blame it on role madness but it makes little sense for emc to regress so far that he would be afraid to talk the way he had the previous two games. What changed emc?

Personal life and time management not going so hot.

[e.m.c^42]

is there any reason that role madness alone would just spiral him back into his old habits

I don't know him well enough to say with any confidence, but you of all people should know that people can come into games in different emotional states and behave differently because of it.

name a movie that has a title that could sum up emcs play so far

Waiting for Godot

[bozotheclown]

In addition to townreading bona for other reasons, I do not think his votes at EOD can be explained as being deliberate at all (with the exception of him tying it with 2 minutes left). The way he was moving around doesn't feel at all like he was considering how his votes would look with VCA.

And I think celaph's response to being on the block was so different from in M62. In that game, we still had several miskills left, and he was a VT, and he actually fought back and cared and posted his reads. He came out of it super towny. Here, he sort of just waited around and seemed like he was hoping to get out of it. It seemed more like he was afraid to say the wrong thing.

In M62, celaph's only post in the last 19 minutes of D5 was his post where he gave reads.

Yes, because he spent that time typing up his reads... That's my point. He was putting effort there as he was on the block because he knew his job was to help solve. Here he didn't do that.

With 16 minutes left, why did you start a new wagon on celaph instead of going back to rdrivera or lfischl?

[Hamilton Brian]

Personal life and time management not going so hot.

Sorry to hear that. Hope things pick up for you.