MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[rdrivera2005]

This is a lot of righteous indignation coming from someone who was on a vanity Rivera wagon with one minute to go, especially considering you didn't even strongly scumread Rivera.

That's a good point. I was re-reading EOD and HR vote on me looked really weird as we never interacted, I was offline and was obviously softing a PR. Not a vote I expect from HR closer to EOD.

A) I have no idea how or where you were softing a PR
B) Softing a PR in a setup like this is such a massively wide open goal that I couldn't care less if someone does it
C) I was on you because I didn't like either the Fisch or Bunny wagons and preferred you

So, why you preferred me over lfischl (Bunny I can understand)?

[rdrivera2005]

My thoughts exactly lol, thank you kgray.

Are you trying to impersonate me?

No, you're impersonating me. I did it first. (Only in the context of this game, but let's ignore that). Anyway, I'd previously said literally the exact same thing in catchup replies. And kgray generally has takes I agree with so far. We should all be friends, except that I don't trust you yet.

Now, you are breaking my heart

[Hellenic Riot]

That's a good point. I was re-reading EOD and HR vote on me looked really weird as we never interacted, I was offline and was obviously softing a PR. Not a vote I expect from HR closer to EOD.

A) I have no idea how or where you were softing a PR
B) Softing a PR in a setup like this is such a massively wide open goal that I couldn't care less if someone does it
C) I was on you because I didn't like either the Fisch or Bunny wagons and preferred you

So, why you preferred me over lfischl (Bunny I can understand)?

I just didn't understand the LFisch wagon - It seemed like the generic wagon of getting someone because they're new that seems to happen pretty much every time a few new faces show up (indeed the Bona/Celaph/Aaro debut game was pretty notable for that wagon not happening).

[Vecna]

Ive not been able yet to consume enough alcohol to tear through this game.

[Vecna]

nk me plz scum so i dont have to read. Dont make me hammer one of you fools day2.

[BobMcBob]

Are you trying to impersonate me?

No, you're impersonating me. I did it first. (Only in the context of this game, but let's ignore that). Anyway, I'd previously said literally the exact same thing in catchup replies. And kgray generally has takes I agree with so far. We should all be friends, except that I don't trust you yet.

Now, you are breaking my heart

I don't distrust you either, but you haven't shown enough towniness to put you in my special trusted townie club.

[BobMcBob]

Quickly reread damo, the dude has nothing going for him right now. Like he has a vote, the rest was weird kinda vague specifics (I am aware that sounds stupid) about irrelevant information. He has a vote. That's it. Scumlean again.

I'm gonna ##VOTE demon because he's on my scumlean list and I don't have a noticeably better vote to cast. That's all from me for now, I may be on for a bit at roughly an hour before EoD.

##Bob

check

no u

mate

[BobMcBob]

The most significant thing to have happened so far (and by a wide marģin) is Bozo claiming to have discarded Mafia GF.

If he is telling the truth he probably either has a valuable town role, a super valuable alien role or he fancied SK. Almost certainly not a weaker Mafia role.

He could be lying and gambling that GF wasn't dealt but with a probability of only 26/68 this is an unlikely Bozo type gambit.

I think the most likely reason for Bozo to claim to have discarded Mafia GF is that he actually RETAINED Mafia GF.

##vote Bozo

Just placeholding this reply until I see if Bozo replied to this or not. It's a hell of a hypothesis.

Seeing Macca's follow up to this...the question I was wondering is if this puts Damo and Macca as scum teammates? Probably not; scum wouldn't be that bold to piggyback on one wagon when there's other possibilities. Should it carry through then they'd be suspect together.

My response is that damo is incorrect, the most likely reason for me to have claimed to have discarded the Mafia GF is that I discarded the Mafia GF.

This is a solid defense, not gonna lie. I don't like damo's bozo vote, especially given that it was a D1 bozo vote, but on top of that it also had nothing to do with bozo's behaviour, focussing solely on his discard claim. I've made it pretty clear by now that I don't like factoring the card allocations and discards into reads, and basing it solely off that is very weak imo.

[TheMadMonarch]

Read done. Prepare to get post-bombed.

[BobMcBob]

I hard veto any attempt to kill demon rhk. pick somebody else

You have no such right.

I do and I am only just beginning a flex

Actually, you don't. You are not special bb. Anyone can do gutreads, most people just can't bring themselves to be as obnoxious about them. Please explain your stance on Demon with some evidence.

[BobMcBob]

ghug would be way more likely to turn down a scum role for a sk tho

Yes, I'd rather be SK than mafia, I think.

Idk about alien because I haven't read any roles, but it sounds like they're underpowered and trolly, and I like winning slightly more than I like trolling.

Seriously? You haven't given off that impression so far.

[TheMadMonarch]

Read done. Prepare to get post-bombed.

Well... maybe not bombed.

[TheMadMonarch]

I'm not claiming that you're scum. I'm voting for better VCA to examine later.

Maybe I have the big dumb, but I don't understand voting for VCA.

VCA is analyzing the votes to discover the intent. However if the intent becomes meta, the you're analyzing the plan to analyze? If the voting's not natural, then what information can you hope to gleam from it? In this case you suggest "to force ties, to see reactions", especially with saying this is your plan, people can/will just vote around you, knowing that your vote is not based on it's effect and is therefore likely to change?

If I am mistaken, please correct me.

No, but forcing an artificial tie with 3 minutes on the clock makes people show town/scum pretty clearly, and that either leads to a more scum or partially clears someone.

I say not, for the aforementioned reasons. And I believe EOD proves me right.

[TheMadMonarch]

The most significant thing to have happened so far (and by a wide marģin) is Bozo claiming to have discarded Mafia GF.

If he is telling the truth he probably either has a valuable town role, a super valuable alien role or he fancied SK. Almost certainly not a weaker Mafia role.

He could be lying and gambling that GF wasn't dealt but with a probability of only 26/68 this is an unlikely Bozo type gambit.

I think the most likely reason for Bozo to claim to have discarded Mafia GF is that he actually RETAINED Mafia GF.

##vote Bozo

This is actually quite interesting, and it goes with his rather strange (at least to me) opening. I think I'll join you

##VOTE bozo

@Damo - maybe bozo doesn’t have to gamble on the Mafia GF not being dealt. If he has a mafia role and know someone else has picked Mafia GF.

I’m heavily town reading Damo for not realising mafia bozo would know who his scum mates are.

This sort of idea came up a little, it makes no sense. If you do that, then what is the actual GF gonna say? Your role? Now you've just confused yourself. This idea is big dumb.

[TheMadMonarch]

it does give me a diplomacy themed setup idea where at night everyone can msg each other asking for support and then to do night actions you both pm the gm with your official moves

What sort of night actions are you thinking?

[TheMadMonarch]

I remember having some feelings earlier today.

I didn't like the Bunny-Ghug go-between. I do not think these two are on the same team (including TT).

I remember having some scummy thoughts about Bona earlier, but they have lessened as he responded well to the criticism I was reading.

I like kgray and damo.

Bozo seems weird, he isn't doing anything. I also don't like Vecna doing two posts and leaving, especially when one of those posts was "1".

What's this prefect business?

What makes you think Bunny and Ghug aren't on the same team? I think that means that you're ruling out scum scum, but...not sure you were in 63 but I think many people would have said the same thing about ghug and brain.

Was Bona responding well? Perhaps we were reading different passages. Where did they "excel?"

Why do you like kgray?

Why do you like Damo?

I'll agree with you about Vecna, especially the jibber jabber in the second post.

However, isn't this Bozo's MO?

I'm a high school senior. I'm a prefect, it's a leadership position, I had to plan a disco that day.

If they were on the same team, then that conversation was on a level simply to high to comprehend.

Franky, don't remember exactly. But a lot of that progress was almost dropped after their EOD. In addition to his actions at EOD proving exactly what I had said in my post about why "planned VCA" is bad.

She's cool.

He hasn't done anything bad, yet.

.

Not from my experience. He's usually much more aggressive D1, hopefully he picks up his game.

[TheMadMonarch]

Okay, my gut is actually telling me that Bunny is town. Let's do ##vote celaph instead.

OK, this is where it started.

Where the hell did celaph come from? It bewilders me. This post happens, followed by a set of variously clothed posts.

@kgray, what?

[TheMadMonarch]

If y'all want to ask questions while I can answer them, they need to be soon.

[damo666]

Why did he/she/it not claim?

Dude, just say "they"

Yeah, should have. Sorry. Pissed and frustrated.

[BobMcBob]

I just read Demon's iso and I don't like him as a wagon. I think the way he brought up the lover reveal option was towny because it was a controversial suggestion, especially the way he pushed back against Bunny when Bunny dismissed him. And his brief catch-up posts had some things that I felt were towny too, specifically his scumreads of Bob and Bona. They go against the general consensus, which makes me think that even though he's low-activity he's not just sitting back and hiding.

This is a very reasonable take on Demon that I completely did not consider at the time. In fact I may have been too harsh on him because I thought the lover idea was awful, but I do still think it was awful. Demon can sit in my really slight townlean group.