MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[brainbomb]

Kill in this order
Bunnygo
HellenicRiot
bona
ghug

and Id also put emc as scum here for the day 1 behavior, and HR ignoring it which HR wouldnt do unless they were scum buddies

[kgray]

I am now town reading everyone who voted celaph over everyone on the absolute joke of an lfischl wagon. Disgraceful and appalling.

Meaning DemonRHK is no longer at or anywhere near the top of my hit list. Congratulations Demon, you've officially entered my good graces for now. As Demon says, shame and suspicion on anyone who refused to claim discard during the day but now becomes forthright

And this is a lot of righteous indication from someone who's only defense of lfischl was that he'd claimed to discard the alien lover, and who literally said they weren't opposed to taking him out.

Why are you so upset that he flipped? You weren't even gung-ho about the celaph wagon, or the Rivera wagon when it was an option.

Also, so weird that you're now buttering up to Demon by echoing his comment about discard claims when nobody is even claiming anything.

[kgray]

celaph was a completely random cw. how do you ppl play like this and claim to be using logic

Don't think it was random. Quite a few people had expressed concern about celaph and a bunch of people were questioning the existing wagons.

[kgray]

Bona is #1 on my shit list for sure, whether or not he's a town role, he's by far the single greatest impediment to town getting anything of use done so far. Take out the garbage Bona

Also, I strongly disagree with this take (which Bunny also had). Yeah, it wasn't good. It was frustrating and could have been horrible. He should absolutely not do it again. But it worked out okay, and focusing on blaming him for this isn't productive.

[brainbomb]

if were in bizarro world and hr, ghug, bunny are town

then scumteam or scum ppl are ezio, bobmcbob, vecna, and jasnah

[kgray]

I am going to be honest, my gut said lfi was townier than celaph. and celaph eod just rubbed me the wrong way.

I'm not asking why people voted lfish or celaph - I'm asking why people sat back and were apparently content to let Bona tie it.

K, that is a good point hr.
Theory Time
I wonder if the main wagons were being pushed by scum but differently aligned. Because as I recall lfi was lead wagon then rdr but that one dropped in favor of bunny then celaph. IT does somewhat explain the lack of movement if the two scum factions are concentrated on celaph and lfi.

Sorry can you clarify what you're suggesting? Are you saying that Rivera could be in one scum faction, and Bunny in the other? I'm not following how having two potential factions is relevant here.

[brainbomb]

basing this off a variety of factors since there isnt a guarantee of team sizes.

[brainbomb]

bona is almost too deliberate to be scum, and really my only scumteam I see bona being on involves bunny

[brainbomb]

hmm ok maybe ive changed all my scumreads

[Bonatogether]

hmm ok maybe ive changed all my scumreads

Glad to know

[kgray]

Last 45 minutes the players that were active wagons were RDR, Bunny, Celaph, and ilfischl. Still studying this to see if there's anything to work with.

If celaph is town. Can you learn anything? What if RDR is town instead ?

I think that ghug and HR look decent for their EoD votes. HR slightly less because his vote was to tie it, but I believe him when he says that his intention was otherwise.

I want to hear more from the people who joined either wagon late and had no comments on them earlier. Why did Damo, Ezio, Maniac, and Jasnah end up voting for the people that they did?

What specifically about ghug's and HR's votes makes them look good?

[kgray]

If celaph is town. Can you learn anything? What if RDR is town instead ?

I think that ghug and HR look decent for their EoD votes. HR slightly less because his vote was to tie it, but I believe him when he says that his intention was otherwise.

I want to hear more from the people who joined either wagon late and had no comments on them earlier. Why did Damo, Ezio, Maniac, and Jasnah end up voting for the people that they did?

That is the group to vig kill among
and HR, and Bunny are very likely maf together based on the EOD and how HR tried to claim a maf cop role to lessen Bunnys claim reax.

Yeah it did seem like HR's discard claim came out of the blue.

[brainbomb]

hmm ok maybe ive changed all my scumreads

Glad to know

I think I had a oh shit moment that im ignoring far less engaged ppl like vecna, emc and ezio.

[brainbomb]

I think that ghug and HR look decent for their EoD votes. HR slightly less because his vote was to tie it, but I believe him when he says that his intention was otherwise.

I want to hear more from the people who joined either wagon late and had no comments on them earlier. Why did Damo, Ezio, Maniac, and Jasnah end up voting for the people that they did?

That is the group to vig kill among
and HR, and Bunny are very likely maf together based on the EOD and how HR tried to claim a maf cop role to lessen Bunnys claim reax.

Yeah it did seem like HR's discard claim came out of the blue.

I guess if hes town then I could see HR feeling safer claiming he discarded a maf PR right after bunny, like “well shit I may as well claim mine now too, why wait”?

and I can actually see that being a possibility

[kgray]

I want to kill him. But I’ll repeat: if he’s scum, it’s the gutsiest play I’ve seen here.

I think not killing bona for something that didn't amount to anything is a good idea :)

DIDN’T AMOUNT TO ANYTHING YOU FOOL?! ARE YOU NOT READING AND THINKING?!

The best outcome that can come from this shitshow you and brainbomb caused is if you both learn to stop trying to be the hero of the game. It doesn’t fucking help. Who was the last great “praised hero”? Durga? Did town fucking WIN?!

Aaro helped win by NOT trying to solve and win it until he let people know the game was over.

Sit in your chair. And don’t swing for the fences. You’ve done the hard part: it’s pretty fucking clear you’re town. Maybe you’re SK. I could see that actually. But now you sit back and LISTEN TO INTENTIONS!!!

Bunny what "shitshow" did bona's tying the vote cause? We daykilled someone. We got info. And even if you want to make the argument that celaph should have been the kill instead of lfischl, and that it *would* have been celaph for some reason, you really can't blame that on bona when there were people who were online and not on one of the main wagons when bona tied it.

And what did brain do?

[brainbomb]

also I dont think HR likes being scum

[Bonatogether]

hmm ok maybe ive changed all my scumreads

Glad to know

I think I had a oh shit moment that im ignoring far less engaged ppl like vecna, emc and ezio.

Vecna is weird, and emc never posts much anyways. I'm happy ezio wasn't around to tie it, though.

[kgray]

DIDN’T AMOUNT TO ANYTHING YOU FOOL?! ARE YOU NOT READING AND THINKING?!

The best outcome that can come from this shitshow you and brainbomb caused is if you both learn to stop trying to be the hero of the game. It doesn’t fucking help. Who was the last great “praised hero”? Durga? Did town fucking WIN?!

Aaro helped win by NOT trying to solve and win it until he let people know the game was over.

Sit in your chair. And don’t swing for the fences. You’ve done the hard part: it’s pretty fucking clear you’re town. Maybe you’re SK. I could see that actually. But now you sit back and LISTEN TO INTENTIONS!!!

I already apologized. If you wanna keep talking about how I'm dumb as crap town, go ahead, but I'm not responding to it.

Bona is really towny now. I think he was excited, he thought he was helping, and then he saw how it could backfire and learned from it. He seems genuinely remorseful, and I think if he were scum putting on this giant act he'd be more stubbornly focused on how things worked out okay rather than being self-reflective.

[brainbomb]

id be surprised if celaph was scum.
not enough to eat a hat but maybe a shoe

[brainbomb]

no emc knows that we repudiated him from not voting. hes relaxed because Jamie is gm not a player. Jamie would never let emc do what just went down day 1. Foxcastle hated it too.