MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

Ezio is a 180 from bona
On Macca, the vote for bunny just seems based off one thing, I would like to see more of a case.
I do have a townread on bob based off posts.
Bozo seems to be questioning people now and I hope to see more like his last post. Lfischl voting no kill seems odd from an unvote. Why did he do that?

lfischl seems really weird to me. His actions are lining up with his scum actions from another game too, so I think he might be scum with macca.

What actions are like his scumgame? And how are they different from his towngame?

[Hamilton Brian]

Yes, but I'm always wary.

I read scum!kgray the exact same way I read town!kgray, and it is frustrating as hell.

[rdrivera2005]

@Damo - maybe bozo doesn’t have to gamble on the Mafia GF not being dealt. If he has a mafia role and know someone else has picked Mafia GF.

I’m heavily town reading Damo for not realising mafia bozo would know who his scum mates are.

Why do you assumne that damo didn't realize scum!bozo would know who his teammates are?

Also, when Mafia role PMs are sent out, I think they usually just include the player names and not their roles? I've deleted mine from M1011, but I remember talking in the QT about who got what role, and Jamie GM'd that one too. Plus in the role PMs listed in the setup it just includes names of teammates, not roles. So scum wouldn't know who has what roles until they get to their QT.

Fair point, but if bozo chose say a mafia goon, his confirmation PM may only give him his scum buddy names but isn’t the QT link given at the same time which list the team mates AND their roles. If so bozo could see that someone else is Mafia GF and he is safe in claiming to discard that role. However it’s risky as what if we daykill Mafia GF now. Bozo is exposed as a liar without a good reason, as far as I can tell. Therefore I think bozo prob did discard Mafia GF and if so that’s very good news.

On balance I’m town reading both bozo, Damo and Kgray of the back of this.

Or he just kept GF as Damo said in the first post.
Basically the two likely options is that he is telling the truth about the discard or he is Mafia GF.
I tend to believe first.

[ghug]

I don't follow this at all...

Which part?

I mean, all of it. I still don't know what Bunny was doing - jumping on Maniac's bad assumption for a fake townslip? Scumslipping by accepting Maniac's premise that scum know each other's roles? Town who just didn't think about it?

But I don't see how Bunny would be trying to get scum to claim they discarded their teammates' unique roles. What benefit does that give them? If bozo is non-GF mafia who knows there's a GF, and claims he discards GF, then if the GF flips bozo is dead next. I guess in typing that out I can see why you think Bunny would do that, but it seems unlikely to me it'd ever happen.

I know now I was giving him too much credit, so it's a moot point, but claiming you discarded a role a teammate has is a pretty terrible idea, and it seemed to me more likely that Bunny was validating it as a strategy in the hopes of someone foolishly doing it than that he didn't realize it's a terrible idea.

[Donny Dude]

Ezio is a 180 from bona
On Macca, the vote for bunny just seems based off one thing, I would like to see more of a case.
I do have a townread on bob based off posts.
Bozo seems to be questioning people now and I hope to see more like his last post. Lfischl voting no kill seems odd from an unvote. Why did he do that?

lfischl seems really weird to me. His actions are lining up with his scum actions from another game too, so I think he might be scum with macca.

hmm
##vote lfischl
Why did you vote no kill?

[Bonatogether]

Ezio is a 180 from bona
On Macca, the vote for bunny just seems based off one thing, I would like to see more of a case.
I do have a townread on bob based off posts.
Bozo seems to be questioning people now and I hope to see more like his last post. Lfischl voting no kill seems odd from an unvote. Why did he do that?

lfischl seems really weird to me. His actions are lining up with his scum actions from another game too, so I think he might be scum with macca.

What actions are like his scumgame? And how are they different from his towngame?

He's not a huge pusher as either, but as town he at least posts more original thoughts. As scum he follows his partner and has basically zippo original thoughts. The lurking is NAI from him.

[BunnyGo]

Why is this a townslip? He didn't make any assumptions about whether or not scum knew each others' roles.

"gambling that GF wasn't dealt" implies a lack of knowledge of whether it is a role in play.

But not knowledge about whether or not a role as dealt. Even knowing each others' roles, any given scum wouldn't know what anyone's discards were besides their own.

If bozo is in the mafia QT (as per damo's hypothesis) then bozo would know if the GF were there. Lying about whether it is dealt becomes much more likely then. The implied knowledge damo has in his post is that bozo is unlikely to know this even if scum. He can only know if the GF is here if he was dealt it.

[brainbomb]

@bona

Your defense of me is awful. While DK'ing me wouldn't give any information about *my* posts, you still get the interactions from everyone else to the wagon.

If I flip scum d1 then (in a normal setup with only 1 scumteam), then ppl who pushed me and were willing to vote *me* as opposed to the other low posters have huge towncred. The people who pushed hard against me would have scumcred. You can basically flip it for townflip.

Essentially, there's still tons of information about me from the rest of the game, even if I don't say anything at all. When you add on the value a big poster like Kgray (not brainbomb) adds to the game, on day one where every read is bullshit, you should go after the low poster.

Why did you call me out in particular? Why not Bunny or ghug or Bob? And why are you dismissing brain?

B/c I've played with bb before. He's the most anti town player I've ever had the pleasure of being in a game with. His statement of "town wins when he's not town" earlier this game was roughly half accurate. I'd say the inverse is more true though
"town loses when he's town".

I called you out in particular b/c you're the only one who's made anything related to reasonable statements this phase.

this is total fuckin bullshit. you can point to maybe one game out of 50+ where I exclusively lost a game for town

[kgray]

Am I wrong in my assumption that usually scum don't know each other's actual roles until they can talk in scumchat? Because if not, then Maniac is really sus here.

Maybe, but as I recall from m60 don't the roles get posted as first post of qt so a person could open it up and check who their partners roles are?

No idea, I just went to look and that's the one where you guys broke quicktopic by posting too much, and it would take me a million years to get to the first post lol

[BunnyGo]

Yes, but I'm always wary.

I read scum!kgray the exact same way I read town!kgray, and it is frustrating as hell.

Having been a teammate of hers recently, I thought I picked up some tells. But it's not been enough games to be sure.

[kgray]

lfischl seems really weird to me. His actions are lining up with his scum actions from another game too, so I think he might be scum with macca.

What actions are like his scumgame? And how are they different from his towngame?

He's not a huge pusher as either, but as town he at least posts more original thoughts. As scum he follows his partner and has basically zippo original thoughts. The lurking is NAI from him.

So do you think Vecna and/or Ezio are his partner(s)?

[brainbomb]

I was in one mylo/lylo game where I let xorxes win by mistaking bozi and rivera for scum. otherwise ive never lived long enough to be responsible for town losing. in m26 I subbed in and led town on three consecutive scum eliminations before finally getting nkd and trprado lost it for us

[Donny Dude]

Am I wrong in my assumption that usually scum don't know each other's actual roles until they can talk in scumchat? Because if not, then Maniac is really sus here.

Maybe, but as I recall from m60 don't the roles get posted as first post of qt so a person could open it up and check who their partners roles are?

No idea, I just went to look and that's the one where you guys broke quicktopic by posting too much, and it would take me a million years to get to the first post lol

So I did do that and the roles were the first post plus names at I think game start. That was a lot of clicking though.

[ghug]

Am I wrong in my assumption that usually scum don't know each other's actual roles until they can talk in scumchat? Because if not, then Maniac is really sus here.

Maybe, but as I recall from m60 don't the roles get posted as first post of qt so a person could open it up and check who their partners roles are?

No idea, I just went to look and that's the one where you guys broke quicktopic by posting too much, and it would take me a million years to get to the first post lol

I can't say with certainty that it's been true every time, but generally I've been told up front which scum teammates have which roles.

[brainbomb]

town doesnt lose the goddamn games because of me and hell yea im pissed at that statement even being uttered. shame on you.

[brainbomb]

pull up the scoresheet and look up winrates. granted ive been shit lately but thats simply rude

[lfischl]

Ezio is a 180 from bona
On Macca, the vote for bunny just seems based off one thing, I would like to see more of a case.
I do have a townread on bob based off posts.
Bozo seems to be questioning people now and I hope to see more like his last post. Lfischl voting no kill seems odd from an unvote. Why did he do that?

lfischl seems really weird to me. His actions are lining up with his scum actions from another game too, so I think he might be scum with macca.

hmm
##vote lfischl
Why did you vote no kill?

I honestly don't know who to vote. if I did vote it would be macca or vecna.

[BunnyGo]

Ezio is a 180 from bona
On Macca, the vote for bunny just seems based off one thing, I would like to see more of a case.
I do have a townread on bob based off posts.
Bozo seems to be questioning people now and I hope to see more like his last post. Lfischl voting no kill seems odd from an unvote. Why did he do that?

lfischl seems really weird to me. His actions are lining up with his scum actions from another game too, so I think he might be scum with macca.

hmm
##vote lfischl
Why did you vote no kill?

You're done with Macca?

[Bonatogether]

What actions are like his scumgame? And how are they different from his towngame?

He's not a huge pusher as either, but as town he at least posts more original thoughts. As scum he follows his partner and has basically zippo original thoughts. The lurking is NAI from him.

So do you think Vecna and/or Ezio are his partner(s)?

I don't think it's Vecna, since he would have known that Vecna wasn't cop, but I could see him being partnered with Ezio. I'm also not sure what card he would choose over Alien Bulletproof Lover, though, so I'm inclined to guess that they're both aliens, but I'm not sure.

[Donny Dude]

lfischl seems really weird to me. His actions are lining up with his scum actions from another game too, so I think he might be scum with macca.

hmm
##vote lfischl
Why did you vote no kill?

You're done with Macca?

Not yet, Wanted to see how lfischl responded.