MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

No, there's a possible vig.

WOAH! My eyes kept glazing over that!

Is this sarcasm?

No...I have no memory of every seeing that role, and I have the roles open in the screen in another window right now.

[Ezio]

I think you've misunderstood their posts. Granted, damo was confused for half of them.

He said "both of his role pms may have been the same." What else is that supposed to mean if not "lol get wrekt cops"

I think you should go reread it again. He said "I do not know if the roles of my 2 dealt cards were of the same faction" and "Retract. Both my cards were same faction." and "Correct" (in response to he tossed VT) and "I may have had 2 identical cards" (not *were* he was demurring) and (crucially)

"It should now be clear that:

a) I discarded 'Vanilla Townsperson'

b) I am not a Vanilla Townsperson

I screwed up and fully expect to be NK'd."

I don't believe retractions.

[Bonatogether]

WOAH! My eyes kept glazing over that!

Is this sarcasm?

No...I have no memory of every seeing that role, and I have the roles open in the screen in another window right now.

Ah.

[BunnyGo]

Reposting for Ezio:

Hi Ezio, I'm Bunny. They did say you'd advocate no-kill on day 1.

Since you're not going to vote for someone, would you care to enlighten us with your impressions of any players?

Impressions of mechanics?

Thoughts at all?

Ooooh, prompt time: If you have the chance to tie the vote at EOD, will you?

[ghug]

So... Do you think it's scummy then?

You seem very surface-level this game ghug

I think he was trying to entice scum into claiming they'd discarded teammates' unique roles.

I don't follow this at all...

Which part?

[kgray]

nope, no sense in dying for vecna or bona. but RHK dying is not gonna happen on my watch

This feels so strong from you and I don't recall such a vehement defense of someone previously. Why are you so held to them? Role?

He did this in M62, with damo and Bunny. Both of them ended up being scum, though

[ghug]

Why did you start this whole trend about saying what role you tossed out?

Seemed fun.

Also I like making scum lie about things before they get a chance to talk to their teammates.

I don't really understand why you think anyone has a motivation to lie about their discard, though. Let's say the scum team(s) discuss their discards tonight... What's the benefit? Player X can now say they made Player Y's discard and Player Y can say they made Player X's discard? What has the scum team gained from such a discussion?

Not everyone is smart.

[kgray]

Ezio's gonna break kgray almost as hard as Maniac broke bozo.

Ezio is? Why? Bona is breaking me right now.

[Ezio]

@isflasjdfl

I think the nokill is messing with the bot.

##vote Unvote

[kgray]

I called you out in particular b/c you're the only one who's made anything related to reasonable statements this phase.

I don't believe you actually think this.

[Hellenic Riot]

Seemed fun.

Also I like making scum lie about things before they get a chance to talk to their teammates.

I don't really understand why you think anyone has a motivation to lie about their discard, though. Let's say the scum team(s) discuss their discards tonight... What's the benefit? Player X can now say they made Player Y's discard and Player Y can say they made Player X's discard? What has the scum team gained from such a discussion?

Not everyone is smart.

Unless you think there's a scum team full of idiots who would decide to lie for shits and giggles, that doesn't answer my question about what you think the motivation to lie is

[Ezio]

I called you out in particular b/c you're the only one who's made anything related to reasonable statements this phase.

I don't believe you actually think this.

Who do you think has made reasonable statements this game?

Certainly not Ghug for starting the discard nonsense.

Certainly not Bozo for tracking the discard nonsense (although we can't get any reads on Bozo)

Certainly not brainbomb for being brainbomb.

[BunnyGo]

@isflasjdfl

I think the nokill is messing with the bot.

##vote Unvote

why do you think that?

[Ezio]

@isflasjdfl

I think the nokill is messing with the bot.

##vote Unvote

why do you think that?

Because I checked the bot and didn't see either of our votes.

[BunnyGo]

I called you out in particular b/c you're the only one who's made anything related to reasonable statements this phase.

I don't believe you actually think this.

Who do you think has made reasonable statements this game?

Certainly not Ghug for starting the discard nonsense.

Certainly not Bozo for tracking the discard nonsense (although we can't get any reads on Bozo)

Certainly not brainbomb for being brainbomb.

Oooh! Ooooh! DO ME NEXT!! What's my nonsensical reason for wasting everyone's time and being ignored!!

[Ezio]

K flight's boarding now.

[Jamiet99uk]

Fair point, but if bozo chose say a mafia goon, his confirmation PM may only give him his scum buddy names but isn’t the QT link given at the same time which list the team mates AND their roles. If so bozo could see that someone else is Mafia GF and he is safe in claiming to discard that role. However it’s risky as what if we daykill Mafia GF now. Bozo is exposed as a liar without a good reason, as far as I can tell. Therefore I think bozo prob did discard Mafia GF and if so that’s very good news.

On balance I’m town reading both bozo, Damo and Kgray of the back of this.

Well in the scumchat in M1011 when Jamie GM'd and we had mafia PRs, the roles were not included in the QT. We had to ask each other once the game started.

But I think you're right, it doesn't make a lot of sense for someone to lie about discarding a unique scum role. I don't think that bozo discarding GF says anything about bozo's alignment, though.

It’s worth asking the question.

##callGM - when scum are sent their final role PM, are they given a link to the mafia QT and does that QT included a list of all mafia and their roles?

GM NOTE

Prior to the game starting, after the end of the Role Allocation phase, any Mafia in the game would be sent a link to the Mafia QT, yes, and yes that information would be listed in the QT.

[BunnyGo]

@isflasjdfl

I think the nokill is messing with the bot.

##vote Unvote

why do you think that?

Because I checked the bot and didn't see either of our votes.

They were right there...they still are. only Demon is on unvote, since it's actually done ##unvote not ##vote unvote.

[BunnyGo]

Well in the scumchat in M1011 when Jamie GM'd and we had mafia PRs, the roles were not included in the QT. We had to ask each other once the game started.

But I think you're right, it doesn't make a lot of sense for someone to lie about discarding a unique scum role. I don't think that bozo discarding GF says anything about bozo's alignment, though.

It’s worth asking the question.

##callGM - when scum are sent their final role PM, are they given a link to the mafia QT and does that QT included a list of all mafia and their roles?

GM NOTE

Prior to the game starting, after the end of the Role Allocation phase, any Mafia in the game would be sent a link to the Mafia QT, yes, and yes that information would be listed in the QT.

Fascinating.

[kgray]

I think he was trying to entice scum into claiming they'd discarded teammates' unique roles.

I don't follow this at all...

Which part?

I mean, all of it. I still don't know what Bunny was doing - jumping on Maniac's bad assumption for a fake townslip? Scumslipping by accepting Maniac's premise that scum know each other's roles? Town who just didn't think about it?

But I don't see how Bunny would be trying to get scum to claim they discarded their teammates' unique roles. What benefit does that give them? If bozo is non-GF mafia who knows there's a GF, and claims he discards GF, then if the GF flips bozo is dead next. I guess in typing that out I can see why you think Bunny would do that, but it seems unlikely to me it'd ever happen.