MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[brainbomb]

sorry, town wins when Im not on it

[lfischl]

This is a fascinating discussion, but would you care to join the game we're currently playing?

Do you have any townreads?

Im leaning town on you and donny, and I'm not sure that ghug is scum to be honest, and I may switch my vote sometime tommorow morning before EOD.

Did you vote for ghug for any reason besides thinking Vecna had a guilty scan on him?

That was the reason I voted him, nothing else. ##unvote.

[BunnyGo]

Cop, Conspiracy Theorist, Jailor, Mason, Vigilante, Clairvoyant, although I haven't done a full readthrough of the roles yet.

and What if my role is on that list? am I still worth just sacrificing for vca

it'd hurt, but I'd still be more in favor of it than a Macca, lfischl, or Ezio wagon

Ok...now you're just fu**ing with us to see how long we continue to believe you can actually think this. Right?

[kgray]

@bona, I think you should reconsider your lurker perspective. Usually lurkers aren't going to suddenly start talking and giving us "info" later, so keeping them around does nothing except for get rid of active players who are easier to read just by virtue of them contributing.

[BunnyGo]

Im leaning town on you and donny, and I'm not sure that ghug is scum to be honest, and I may switch my vote sometime tommorow morning before EOD.

Did you vote for ghug for any reason besides thinking Vecna had a guilty scan on him?

That was the reason I voted him, nothing else. ##unvote.

And when did you realize that Vecna was just making sh** up as a joke?

[kgray]

Im leaning town on you and donny, and I'm not sure that ghug is scum to be honest, and I may switch my vote sometime tommorow morning before EOD.

Did you vote for ghug for any reason besides thinking Vecna had a guilty scan on him?

That was the reason I voted him, nothing else. ##unvote.

Okay. When you realized Vecna was lying, why did you not reconsider your vote? Who do you find suspicious?

[DemonRHK]

20ish pages back. Will be posting insights after every 5 or so

[Bonatogether]

and What if my role is on that list? am I still worth just sacrificing for vca

it'd hurt, but I'd still be more in favor of it than a Macca, lfischl, or Ezio wagon

Ok...now you're just fu**ing with us to see how long we continue to believe you can actually think this. Right?

On d1 I actually do think it is better to vote brain than any of three I listed aside from maybe lfischl if he starts posting more. I prefer pressuring bunny or celaph, but if the choice is brain or ezio, I know what I'm choosing.

[kgray]

Cop, Conspiracy Theorist, Jailor, Mason, Vigilante, Clairvoyant, although I haven't done a full readthrough of the roles yet.

and What if my role is on that list? am I still worth just sacrificing for vca

it'd hurt, but I'd still be more in favor of it than a Macca, lfischl, or Ezio wagon

Wait, what?? You think that killing off active *town* (not just an active player in general, but an active town PR on your list of powerful roles) is better than killing a lurker? Ignoring the part where we then lose that PR, what does killing a townie tell us about their connections or about VCA?

[Bonatogether]

@bona, I think you should reconsider your lurker perspective. Usually lurkers aren't going to suddenly start talking and giving us "info" later, so keeping them around does nothing except for get rid of active players who are easier to read just by virtue of them contributing.

Which is why we should start policy killing them around d4 while we use previous day's info of dead active people to work out scum, imo.

[BunnyGo]

@bona, I think you should reconsider your lurker perspective. Usually lurkers aren't going to suddenly start talking and giving us "info" later, so keeping them around does nothing except for get rid of active players who are easier to read just by virtue of them contributing.

Which is why we should start policy killing them around d4 while we use previous day's info of dead active people to work out scum, imo.

Is this a new opinion? I can't find anything about this in the last 2 games.

[brainbomb]

it'd hurt, but I'd still be more in favor of it than a Macca, lfischl, or Ezio wagon

Ok...now you're just fu**ing with us to see how long we continue to believe you can actually think this. Right?

On d1 I actually do think it is better to vote brain than any of three I listed aside from maybe lfischl if he starts posting more. I prefer pressuring bunny or celaph, but if the choice is brain or ezio, I know what I'm choosing.

You barely even know me or my playstyle or meta. Nobody has this opinion of me. The only person who actually thinks like this is maybe flash. What are you basing this on? it just feels like you randomly decided based on one game that Im a great elim option

[Bonatogether]

and What if my role is on that list? am I still worth just sacrificing for vca

it'd hurt, but I'd still be more in favor of it than a Macca, lfischl, or Ezio wagon

Wait, what?? You think that killing off active *town* (not just an active player in general, but an active town PR on your list of powerful roles) is better than killing a lurker? Ignoring the part where we then lose that PR, what does killing a townie tell us about their connections or about VCA?

Yeah. Most of the roles I said will only give us one good use (like doc, vigilante, or clairvoyant), are expendable (mason), or miss one scumteam entirely (cop, conspiracy theorist). I think it's fine trading that for good info.

This whole discussion is moot if the people on the block aren't one of those roles.

[Bonatogether]

@bona, I think you should reconsider your lurker perspective. Usually lurkers aren't going to suddenly start talking and giving us "info" later, so keeping them around does nothing except for get rid of active players who are easier to read just by virtue of them contributing.

Which is why we should start policy killing them around d4 while we use previous day's info of dead active people to work out scum, imo.

Is this a new opinion? I can't find anything about this in the last 2 games.

Indeed, I have new thoughts this game.

[kgray]

@bona, I think you should reconsider your lurker perspective. Usually lurkers aren't going to suddenly start talking and giving us "info" later, so keeping them around does nothing except for get rid of active players who are easier to read just by virtue of them contributing.

Which is why we should start policy killing them around d4 while we use previous day's info of dead active people to work out scum, imo.

But those lurkers won't be contributing, so your plan is just cutting off info that we could be getting from active players early. How is your suggestion better than getting rid of lurkers now, and keeping active people around so that we get more info from them as the game goes on?

[Bonatogether]

Ok...now you're just fu**ing with us to see how long we continue to believe you can actually think this. Right?

On d1 I actually do think it is better to vote brain than any of three I listed aside from maybe lfischl if he starts posting more. I prefer pressuring bunny or celaph, but if the choice is brain or ezio, I know what I'm choosing.

You barely even know me or my playstyle or meta. Nobody has this opinion of me. The only person who actually thinks like this is maybe flash. What are you basing this on? it just feels like you randomly decided based on one game that Im a great elim option

This is missing my point. You're not a good early dk target because of your playstyle last game - you're a good early dk target because you flipping gives us a lot of info on a lot of people. I'd put ghug, kgray, bunny, and maybe donny in this category, off the top of my head.

[brainbomb]

Im not saying in great but ive been in champs three times and used to have the highest win % on here from 2016-2018. Like i said im not great lately but Im certainly not just a wad of hamburger to toss in the trash for cheap info that town wont even use long term anyway

[kgray]

it'd hurt, but I'd still be more in favor of it than a Macca, lfischl, or Ezio wagon

Wait, what?? You think that killing off active *town* (not just an active player in general, but an active town PR on your list of powerful roles) is better than killing a lurker? Ignoring the part where we then lose that PR, what does killing a townie tell us about their connections or about VCA?

Yeah. Most of the roles I said will only give us one good use (like doc, vigilante, or clairvoyant), are expendable (mason), or miss one scumteam entirely (cop, conspiracy theorist). I think it's fine trading that for good info.

This whole discussion is moot if the people on the block aren't one of those roles.

Please tell me what "good info" we will learn by flipping one of those town PRs you mentioned.

[lfischl]

Did you vote for ghug for any reason besides thinking Vecna had a guilty scan on him?

That was the reason I voted him, nothing else. ##unvote.

Okay. When you realized Vecna was lying, why did you not reconsider your vote? Who do you find suspicious?

Macca, and I find it weird that bona keeps pushing brain for no real reason.

[brainbomb]

this site fucks games up with overanalyzing meaningless datapoints from vca all the time. So whatever drives this bizarre devotion to think vca will give you all you need its not gonna work that way