MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

I think I disagree with everything you've said here :)

I'm not even following it. What information did you reveal that he feels you shouldn't have?

Oh, I have no idea. I disagree with his points in general, and also the part about me ruling out anything...?

I think bona is saying the following:

1) kgray declines to answer suggests she has something to hide
a) She chose scum
b) She chose PR

So if you chose scum, you're delaying your answer to figure out what is safe to claim.

If you chose PR, you could just claim you tossed VT.

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny, limited number of pure VT cards?

Listen, if my thinking/logic is flawed, I don't mind being shown the errors in it.

I'm not being passive aggressive here. I'm really unsure.

I thought I'd threaded the needle correctly, but I could be wrong.

I didn't read what you wrote as PA. I wouldn't have caught it anyway. There's 11 VT cards. Someone with a sharper math brain than I would be able to figure out distribution, etc.

Anyway, I also agree with someone else who said earlier that all the mech talk would make it easier for scum to hide, so I am ready to drop it. I just don't think it's wise to claim.

fair enough. Whom do you town read?

[Donny Dude]

And speaking for myself, but I feel like after the debacle of last game, I wouldn't want to touch a mafia role with a ten foot pole. I don't think brainbomb or ghug would either.

I think the ghug wagon is misplaced. At least it's only D1. I don't know who a more sound alternative would be at this point.

Would this apply to alien or sk for you?

[Bonatogether]

I'm not even following it. What information did you reveal that he feels you shouldn't have?

Oh, I have no idea. I disagree with his points in general, and also the part about me ruling out anything...?

I think bona is saying the following:

1) kgray declines to answer suggests she has something to hide
a) She chose scum
b) She chose PR

So if you chose scum, you're delaying your answer to figure out what is safe to claim.

If you chose PR, you could just claim you tossed VT.

^

[Hamilton Brian]

And speaking for myself, but I feel like after the debacle of last game, I wouldn't want to touch a mafia role with a ten foot pole. I don't think brainbomb or ghug would either.

I think the ghug wagon is misplaced. At least it's only D1. I don't know who a more sound alternative would be at this point.

Would this apply to alien or sk for you?

For myself, absolutely. I shit the bed trying to be covert last game. I need a reset this game where I don't have to spin stories.

[kgray]

Information is always helpful to town, and revealing that you know information that doesn't benefit town (such as you were dealt two strong PRs and so had to discard one) cannot be orchestrated without giving scum a fair shot at knowing it anyways, so it's better to either totally avoid answering (but then mafia might discern something there) or to answer truthfully. You have ruled out the first, so the town course of action is to answer truthfully.

I think I disagree with everything you've said here :)

Why

(1) Information isn't *always* helpful to town. In your first game we were handed tons of info about the scumteam, we killed them, and then we lost in part because we didn't have to actually figure them out for ourselves (not that I'm making excuses or blaming MVP Durga at all).

(2) A person who is dealt two strong PRs could just lie and say they discarded a VT, without risk of revealing anything to scum.

(3) Mafia can try to discern something from people refusing to answer the question, but at the end of the day it's wifom and it leaves them without answers regardless.

(4) Whether or not answering truthfully is a good move depends on many factors, included someone's actual discard, the card they kept, what other people have claimed, what scum roles are in play, etc.

(5) I haven't ruled out anything. I've pled the 5th.

(6) The town course of action is exactly what I'm doing, because I'm town and I think this is the best course of action at the moment.

[Donny Dude]

And speaking for myself, but I feel like after the debacle of last game, I wouldn't want to touch a mafia role with a ten foot pole. I don't think brainbomb or ghug would either.

I think the ghug wagon is misplaced. At least it's only D1. I don't know who a more sound alternative would be at this point.

Would this apply to alien or sk for you?

For myself, absolutely. I shit the bed trying to be covert last game. I need a reset this game where I don't have to spin stories.

And if both cards were anti-town roles which one would you pick?

[kgray]

##vote kgray

Neat! What about me choosing not to answer is scummy?

My classical mafia performance last game was indicative of this. Pissed Hellenic Riot right off. But I think the difference was I was trying to hide out and be less conspicuous.

Yes - there is a pretty big difference between me refusing to comment on mechanical/role information and you not explaining your votes

[Hamilton Brian]

fair enough. Whom do you town read?

Early days but: Bob, brain, damo, Donny, ghug, rdr.

[Hamilton Brian]

Would this apply to alien or sk for you?

For myself, absolutely. I shit the bed trying to be covert last game. I need a reset this game where I don't have to spin stories.

And if both cards were anti-town roles which one would you pick?

Ah, hadn't thought of that. Shit. I don't like either one. I would take the least powerful one. Too much responsibility with a PR.

[kgray]

Oh, I have no idea. I disagree with his points in general, and also the part about me ruling out anything...?

I think bona is saying the following:

1) kgray declines to answer suggests she has something to hide
a) She chose scum
b) She chose PR

So if you chose scum, you're delaying your answer to figure out what is safe to claim.

If you chose PR, you could just claim you tossed VT.

^

Y'all are making a lot of assumptions. One that particularly offends me is the idea that I would claim that I tossed VT as a PR but not as scum. You guys can't say I'm good at scum and then also believe I couldn't easily come up with that obvious solution to this question.

[BunnyGo]

For myself, absolutely. I shit the bed trying to be covert last game. I need a reset this game where I don't have to spin stories.

And if both cards were anti-town roles which one would you pick?

Ah, hadn't thought of that. Shit. I don't like either one. I would take the least powerful one. Too much responsibility with a PR.

You'd pick the SK. You're on your own and don't know anything.

[BunnyGo]

I think bona is saying the following:

1) kgray declines to answer suggests she has something to hide
a) She chose scum
b) She chose PR

So if you chose scum, you're delaying your answer to figure out what is safe to claim.

If you chose PR, you could just claim you tossed VT.

^

Y'all are making a lot of assumptions. One that particularly offends me is the idea that I would claim that I tossed VT as a PR but not as scum. You guys can't say I'm good at scum and then also believe I couldn't easily come up with that obvious solution to this question.

I'm the translator here.

[Bonatogether]

I think bona is saying the following:

1) kgray declines to answer suggests she has something to hide
a) She chose scum
b) She chose PR

So if you chose scum, you're delaying your answer to figure out what is safe to claim.

If you chose PR, you could just claim you tossed VT.

^

Y'all are making a lot of assumptions. One that particularly offends me is the idea that I would claim that I tossed VT as a PR but not as scum. You guys can't say I'm good at scum and then also believe I couldn't easily come up with that obvious solution to this question.

But then why don't you claim?

[Donny Dude]

And if both cards were anti-town roles which one would you pick?

Ah, hadn't thought of that. Shit. I don't like either one. I would take the least powerful one. Too much responsibility with a PR.

You'd pick the SK. You're on your own and don't know anything.

Ham what if it was between alien and Mafia?
Bunny why do you think he is sk in particular?

[kgray]

^

Y'all are making a lot of assumptions. One that particularly offends me is the idea that I would claim that I tossed VT as a PR but not as scum. You guys can't say I'm good at scum and then also believe I couldn't easily come up with that obvious solution to this question.

But then why don't you claim?

Because I am not convinced it is in town's best interest for us to reveal what we discarded. If that becomes the general consensus supported by people I trust (ie townread and have a good grasp on mechanics) then I will claim.

[Donny Dude]

I would like to know where everyone stands on claiming discards, so please fill this in:

Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Not town
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK:
Donny:
emc:
Ezio:
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton:
HR:
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien
Macca:
Mania​c:
rdrivera: chooses not to answer
Vecna:

Oh cool, I don't exist now! No need to answer!


(I'll see what I think of claiming once I've caught up to the thread thanks.)

Sorry I cut you out of the list.

Bob:
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Not town
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK:
Donny:
emc:
Ezio:
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton:
HR:
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien
Macca:
Mania​c:
rdrivera: chooses not to answer
Vecna:

Options are stating a specific role, town/not town, town/mafia/alien, or choosing not to answer.

So for you Kgray, the majority of people you tr have not answered this.

[Donny Dude]

Y'all are making a lot of assumptions. One that particularly offends me is the idea that I would claim that I tossed VT as a PR but not as scum. You guys can't say I'm good at scum and then also believe I couldn't easily come up with that obvious solution to this question.

But then why don't you claim?

Because I am not convinced it is in town's best interest for us to reveal what we discarded. If that becomes the general consensus supported by people I trust (ie townread and have a good grasp on mechanics) then I will claim.

Kgray, do you feel you don't have a solid grasp on mech or do you believe it is being pushed by scum?

[Donny Dude]

I have townreads on Donny, Bob, and brain so far.

[BunnyGo]

Ah, hadn't thought of that. Shit. I don't like either one. I would take the least powerful one. Too much responsibility with a PR.

You'd pick the SK. You're on your own and don't know anything.

Ham what if it was between alien and Mafia?
Bunny why do you think he is sk in particular?

I don't. Just in that hypothetical.