MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

Celaph, lfischl, you.

These games are hard because the behavioral scumtells are so easy to avoid when you have another scumteam to hunt for, so I'm expecting to be especially inaccurate early.

Why am I scummy? And don't say it's because you're scared of me or because you think I would have picked scum given the choice.

Would you have picked scum if given the chance?

I'm not sure. It would have depended on the other option. But in a vacuum, probably.

[BobMcBob]

I'm just gonna put some "reads" out here real quick, I like kgray so far. I may be guilty of being pocketed to some extent, but she has been very reasonable overall from what I recall. I also don't really wanna jump on the ghug wagon, although he may be worth a reread later. There are some quirks to bunny's game so far that I'm not overly fond of but I won't hold them against him too much. Brain is caustic, but brain is always caustic and I townlean him. Ghug vs brain is an interaction worth looking over again later. I'm currently on page 31, just thought I'd say hi.

[bozotheclown]

I would like to know where everyone stands on claiming discards, so please fill this in:

Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Not town
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK:
Donny:
emc:
Ezio:
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton:
HR:
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien
Macca:
Mania​c:
rdrivera: chooses not to answer
Vecna:

[BobMcBob]

##vote brain for at least somewhat competitive wagons

Is this going to be the only metric you use to vote this game?

iirc celaph (or someone) said he did that last game too? Btw bona, it is not a good voting method, vote based on who you think is scum, not to make competitive wagons.

[kgray]

In that case, can you explain why you are not going to reveal what you discarded?

I am not convinced that revealing our discards is helpful to town, and it's not something that can be undone. So I'm not doing it until I am very certain that lots of people I trust are supporting it.

I support revealing town/not-town discards.

Jesus, Bunny. A third of your ISO is your pre-game interrogation of Jamie.

I found where you said claiming "tossed scum" isn't helpful because people can just lie, and you seem to change your mind about what people should/shouldn't reveal, but I can't find where you say why this is the best play in your opinion.

[BobMcBob]

I would like to know where everyone stands on claiming discards, so please fill this in:

Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Not town
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK:
Donny:
emc:
Ezio:
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton:
HR:
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien
Macca:
Mania​c:
rdrivera: chooses not to answer
Vecna:

Oh cool, I don't exist now! No need to answer!


(I'll see what I think of claiming once I've caught up to the thread thanks.)

[Bonatogether]

##vote brain for at least somewhat competitive wagons

Is this going to be the only metric you use to vote this game?

iirc celaph (or someone) said he did that last game too? Btw bona, it is not a good voting method, vote based on who you think is scum, not to make competitive wagons.

It's d1 and every wagon is based on the flimsiest junk. Barring an honest-to-god scumslip, this day is data collection.

[kgray]

@Maniac do you still think brain would have picked scum if given the chance, and do you have any other reasons to scumread him?

[bozotheclown]

I would like to know where everyone stands on claiming discards, so please fill this in:

Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Not town
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK:
Donny:
emc:
Ezio:
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton:
HR:
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien
Macca:
Mania​c:
rdrivera: chooses not to answer
Vecna:

Oh cool, I don't exist now! No need to answer!


(I'll see what I think of claiming once I've caught up to the thread thanks.)

Sorry I cut you out of the list.

Bob:
Bonatogether: Mafia Goon
bozo: Mafia GF
brainbomb: Mafia Goon
BunnyGo: Not town
​celaph: Mafia Goon
damo: VT
DemonRHK:
Donny:
emc:
Ezio:
ghug: Mafia Goon
Hamilton:
HR:
jasnah: Mafia Lover
kgray: chooses not to answer
lfischl: Alien
Macca:
Mania​c:
rdrivera: chooses not to answer
Vecna:

Options are stating a specific role, town/not town, town/mafia/alien, or choosing not to answer.

[BobMcBob]

Is this going to be the only metric you use to vote this game?

iirc celaph (or someone) said he did that last game too? Btw bona, it is not a good voting method, vote based on who you think is scum, not to make competitive wagons.

It's d1 and every wagon is based on the flimsiest junk. Barring an honest-to-god scumslip, this day is data collection.

That's not how mafia works. Follow your gut. Vote for who you think is scum, because that information is very valuable to us. We don't get good VCA from someone trying to make false competition in the wagons (I think).

[BunnyGo]

I doubt anything of import happened, but just in case - anything I want to know before starting backread?

There’s a debate about whether and how much to claim about your discarded card. And bozo isn’t leading it. Ghug is! There’s a post somewhere with claims to now.

[kgray]

iirc celaph (or someone) said he did that last game too? Btw bona, it is not a good voting method, vote based on who you think is scum, not to make competitive wagons.

It's d1 and every wagon is based on the flimsiest junk. Barring an honest-to-god scumslip, this day is data collection.

That's not how mafia works. Follow your gut. Vote for who you think is scum, because that information is very valuable to us. We don't get good VCA from someone trying to make false competition in the wagons (I think).

Bob, we could make the wagons closer and get some sweet sweet VCA if we both vote for bona

[Bonatogether]

iirc celaph (or someone) said he did that last game too? Btw bona, it is not a good voting method, vote based on who you think is scum, not to make competitive wagons.

It's d1 and every wagon is based on the flimsiest junk. Barring an honest-to-god scumslip, this day is data collection.

That's not how mafia works. Follow your gut. Vote for who you think is scum, because that information is very valuable to us. We don't get good VCA from someone trying to make false competition in the wagons (I think).

I disagree because I think that seeing who breaks ties on who and who refuses to break ties is interesting.

[Bonatogether]

It's d1 and every wagon is based on the flimsiest junk. Barring an honest-to-god scumslip, this day is data collection.

That's not how mafia works. Follow your gut. Vote for who you think is scum, because that information is very valuable to us. We don't get good VCA from someone trying to make false competition in the wagons (I think).

Bob, we could make the wagons closer and get some sweet sweet VCA if we both vote for bona

[BunnyGo]

Why am I scummy? And don't say it's because you're scared of me or because you think I would have picked scum given the choice.

Would you have picked scum if given the chance?

I'm not sure. It would have depended on the other option. But in a vacuum, probably.

Were you given the chance?

[kgray]

Would you have picked scum if given the chance?

I'm not sure. It would have depended on the other option. But in a vacuum, probably.

Were you given the chance?

kgray: chooses not to answer

[BobMcBob]

It's d1 and every wagon is based on the flimsiest junk. Barring an honest-to-god scumslip, this day is data collection.

That's not how mafia works. Follow your gut. Vote for who you think is scum, because that information is very valuable to us. We don't get good VCA from someone trying to make false competition in the wagons (I think).

Bob, we could make the wagons closer and get some sweet sweet VCA if we both vote for bona

From what I've read so far I don't dig it yet. Maybe I'll change my mind later, but I like your thinking .

[BunnyGo]

I am not convinced that revealing our discards is helpful to town, and it's not something that can be undone. So I'm not doing it until I am very certain that lots of people I trust are supporting it.

I support revealing town/not-town discards.

Jesus, Bunny. A third of your ISO is your pre-game interrogation of Jamie.

I found where you said claiming "tossed scum" isn't helpful because people can just lie, and you seem to change your mind about what people should/shouldn't reveal, but I can't find where you say why this is the best play in your opinion.

The analysis is hard. I’ve started working on the math, and asked Damo for help. He declined.

I see little harm in getting people to commit minimal information. I see little help either. I’m not particularly convinced either way. Hence my asking and delaying commitment.

[BobMcBob]

I'm not saying this makes ghug town - He could very easily be 180'ing as scum.

K. What is your read on Ghug then?

I think he's probably town.

I love ghug so far this game. Not necessarily as a townie, but as a personality. Can we please keep him around, maybe as a tree stump or something?

[BunnyGo]

K. What is your read on Ghug then?

I think he's probably town.

I love ghug so far this game. Not necessarily as a townie, but as a personality. Can we please keep him around, maybe as a tree stump or something?

Now EMC is gonna vote for you