MAFIA 64 - The Z Files - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Hamilton Brian]

Why be evasive if it's just your gut reads? And giving explanations for reads is definitely worth the risk of scum using that to fake towniness. They're already doing that...

And most importantly, if you are withholding your reasons for your townreads so scum can't use them to blend in, why are you (1) saying you'll share more after rereading - that sounds like you're just deflecting - and (2) asking me to explain my townlean on Bob?

Alright, then let me jump in. I'd be inclined to think that anyone spending the time deliberating on the mechanics, value of claiming, etc is most likely town. Of course, scum could use that discussion to steer us into claiming, but I'd like to think not this early. That could be me being misguided. Sharing after rereading lets me confirm or disconfirm my thinking without the hassle that I often run into during these games of saying one thing then immediately thinking, "NO, why did I write that. That's stupid."

And I am interested in why you're reading Bob as town.

[brainbomb]

I feel the opposite hb. I dont really think we need to spend much time on claims at the moment

[brainbomb]

people overly fixated on it are sus

[Hamilton Brian]

I feel the opposite hb. I dont really think we need to spend much time on claims at the moment

Is that what I was saying? If it came across that way, then I erred. I don't think we should be claiming. I tend to agree on the sus part with anyone that might be currently pushing it, or pushed it when the game began.

[brainbomb]

based on the data the only thing weve learned is that its unlikely there wiuld be more than one maf goon if there are even any

[BunnyGo]

Last game? What did he say, and how is it relevant to this game?

He asked me if I thought insightfulness was town indicative after he saw through me really quickly. He's doing something very similar here with bona, but I don't find it as towny this time.

Also, I get the impression that as much as celaph enjoys solving (and is very very good at reading people and their motivations), he'd be an excellent liar and would enjoy trying it this game. I expect that if he were offered a reasonable non-town role, he'd take it.

I don't understand this or how he's doing it with bona? And why is it less towny now? Do you think he's faking whatever it is?

And your second point is not particularly compelling to me lol

Yes, this felt different with bona. When he read me last game, it was deep and meaningful. With bona it felt superficial and like he was reading a script.

I agree...it isn't the most compelling case.

@ghug: still waiting on the summary of who has claimed what and who hasn't.

[BunnyGo]

Yes, this felt different with bona. When he read me last game, it was deep and meaningful. With bona it felt superficial and like he was reading a script.

This may just mean I like feeling seen.

[kgray]

Why be evasive if it's just your gut reads? And giving explanations for reads is definitely worth the risk of scum using that to fake towniness. They're already doing that...

And most importantly, if you are withholding your reasons for your townreads so scum can't use them to blend in, why are you (1) saying you'll share more after rereading - that sounds like you're just deflecting - and (2) asking me to explain my townlean on Bob?

Alright, then let me jump in. I'd be inclined to think that anyone spending the time deliberating on the mechanics, value of claiming, etc is most likely town. Of course, scum could use that discussion to steer us into claiming, but I'd like to think not this early. That could be me being misguided. Sharing after rereading lets me confirm or disconfirm my thinking without the hassle that I often run into during these games of saying one thing then immediately thinking, "NO, why did I write that. That's stupid."

And I am interested in why you're reading Bob as town.

The way he interacted with damo's mistake earlier made it seem to me like he was trying to determine if it was alignment-indicative for damo, and the way he apologized for answering questions for damo makes me think they're not scum teammates.

His discouraging of the lover revealing was pro-town and didn't feel contrived.

I agreed with his reaction to bona's vote, but at the same time he seems genuinely concerned that people are scumreading bona for NAI reasons that Bob can relate to. I think that shows he's interested in solving, and using his past experiences to slow down a possible miskill is definitely towny.

[kgray]

He asked me if I thought insightfulness was town indicative after he saw through me really quickly. He's doing something very similar here with bona, but I don't find it as towny this time.

Also, I get the impression that as much as celaph enjoys solving (and is very very good at reading people and their motivations), he'd be an excellent liar and would enjoy trying it this game. I expect that if he were offered a reasonable non-town role, he'd take it.

I don't understand this or how he's doing it with bona? And why is it less towny now? Do you think he's faking whatever it is?

And your second point is not particularly compelling to me lol

Yes, this felt different with bona. When he read me last game, it was deep and meaningful. With bona it felt superficial and like he was reading a script.

I agree...it isn't the most compelling case.

@ghug: still waiting on the summary of who has claimed what and who hasn't.

This is not a case. This is garbage.

[kgray]

I don't understand this or how he's doing it with bona? And why is it less towny now? Do you think he's faking whatever it is?

And your second point is not particularly compelling to me lol

Yes, this felt different with bona. When he read me last game, it was deep and meaningful. With bona it felt superficial and like he was reading a script.

I agree...it isn't the most compelling case.

@ghug: still waiting on the summary of who has claimed what and who hasn't.

This is not a case. This is garbage.

lmao I just really wanted to say that.

I still don't really understand your points, but okay. I do see how his summary of bona isn't necessarily super towny, but I didn't find it scummy at all.

[BunnyGo]

Yes, this felt different with bona. When he read me last game, it was deep and meaningful. With bona it felt superficial and like he was reading a script.

I agree...it isn't the most compelling case.

@ghug: still waiting on the summary of who has claimed what and who hasn't.

This is not a case. This is garbage.

lmao I just really wanted to say that.

I still don't really understand your points, but okay. I do see how his summary of bona isn't necessarily super towny, but I didn't find it scummy at all.

No worries. I have a thick skin. I just don't feel seen.

That's cool you don't find it scummy. A lot of this is just producing content to reread later. I'm a little miffed I didn't suspect Jamie last game based on his ghug interactions.

[kgray]

This is not a case. This is garbage.

lmao I just really wanted to say that.

I still don't really understand your points, but okay. I do see how his summary of bona isn't necessarily super towny, but I didn't find it scummy at all.

No worries. I have a thick skin. I just don't feel seen.

That's cool you don't find it scummy. A lot of this is just producing content to reread later. I'm a little miffed I didn't suspect Jamie last game based on his ghug interactions.

I just wanted to quote HR. I don't really think it's any worse than anybody else's reasons.

Do you have any townreads yet?

[BunnyGo]

lmao I just really wanted to say that.

I still don't really understand your points, but okay. I do see how his summary of bona isn't necessarily super towny, but I didn't find it scummy at all.

No worries. I have a thick skin. I just don't feel seen.

That's cool you don't find it scummy. A lot of this is just producing content to reread later. I'm a little miffed I didn't suspect Jamie last game based on his ghug interactions.

I just wanted to quote HR. I don't really think it's any worse than anybody else's reasons.

Do you have any townreads yet?

Nothing better than any of my scum reads. Ghug I’m leaning town. Hamilton.

[brainbomb]

Here goes, good luck everyone on my team. This could be a great game or be all over in a few days.

I was wondering if we should discuss the cards we have discarded? Does that help is narrow down the Mafia and Alien roles? I know that some cards were never offered, but at the end of the day mafia is about town starting with limited info so if we can expand that info, it might help. Thoughts?

Also ##vote Brainbomb - I seem to recall he likes playing mafia so would've chosen a scum role if he had a choice.

Is it correct to assume that a great game for town is one which drags on for ages?

[brainbomb]

everything in that Maniac post is AIDsville

[brainbomb]

I do not know if the roles of my 2 dealt cards were of the same faction.

I know my faction.

Also this is very unlikely to be town

[brainbomb]

BTW I have decided that for this game I will make no false statements.

Pretty sure damo admitted to not being town

[BunnyGo]

everything in that Maniac post is AIDsville

What does this mean?

[Hamilton Brian]

I do not know if the roles of my 2 dealt cards were of the same faction.

I know my faction.

Also this is very unlikely to be town

I feel like I want to agree with you, but I am not sure why or how, that this might not be townish.

Are there really cards that are factionally ambiguous?

And how is Damo admitting to not being town? Please spell it out due to my thick as a brickness.

[Hamilton Brian]

At the very least, Damo seems conflicted.

So Damo, if you're making no false statements, are you mafia?