MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Donny Dude]

You don't think the fact he believes bona is town and then says the wagon is pre-determined is odd because he is one of the people pushing it.

Was I?

When I voted Bona, I was the 8th vote on him.

Literally the bot tells you this:
27:00, worcej, ➙Bon. 8 Bon, 1 cel, 1 boz, 1 wo

Seems pretty 'pre-determined' when 8/13 people are voting the guy...

Dude that was directed at chaqa why do you care?
There was a lot of time left since than and look how not pre-determined it has been.
Secondly your posting has been pushing bona as a kill even though you were not the first vote but you have since then.

[worcej]

Difference is you were actually fighting for other wagons and putting your vote on your suspects.

This guy fuckin votes his townread and is the first to endhammer when no one asked him to. And has given no theories today about the world where Bona is town, which is the one he thinks is more likely than not.

Hey Eden, do yourself a favor and go actually read why I think we should flip him.

I said it all very thoroughly and put my thought process into the open.

Because if he is mafia you can catch the other one. OK great. What about the fact that you don't think he is mafia and you have no theory for who is mafia if he isn't and you aren't trying to find one.

Just because I think he isn't mafia doesn't mean he isn't mafia. Look at how I felt about BB. Turns out I was wrong.

Flipping Bona here will explain wtf ghug, brain, and HB were doing @ EOD. Were they just bad scum not consolidating or did they really have themselves in a bad spot and had SvS right at the end and because they paniced, things went south quickly for them?

For someone who digs rather deep into meanings and reasoning, you're stopping incredibly short with your analysis on me. This seems incredibly forced by you at this point to try to save Bona.

[President Eden]

It feels like PE's argument is that Worcej's vote choice is really stupid and illogical. Maybe last game just left me jaded, but I feel like there were lots of stupid town plays. That said, HB also self-voted earlier this game so maybe there are just a lot of stupid plays all around.

For future reference OMGUS = Oh My God, U're Scum! and refers to accusing someone because they accused you. Not, say, Stupid.

"OMGUS Oh My God U Suck
While occasionally used on its own as an insult, it's usually used as an inferred reasoning for purely retaliatory actions. For instance, an OMGUS vote on someone is one made purely on the basis that they are voting for you."

This is from our lord and savior peterbot

Huh. I had always heard it the other way.
Regardless, I wasn't voting worcej because he suspects me lol. I have no idea who he suspects. That's part of the problem

[President Eden]

Hey Eden, do yourself a favor and go actually read why I think we should flip him.

I said it all very thoroughly and put my thought process into the open.

Because if he is mafia you can catch the other one. OK great. What about the fact that you don't think he is mafia and you have no theory for who is mafia if he isn't and you aren't trying to find one.

Just because I think he isn't mafia doesn't mean he isn't mafia. Look at how I felt about BB. Turns out I was wrong.

Flipping Bona here will explain wtf ghug, brain, and HB were doing @ EOD. Were they just bad scum not consolidating or did they really have themselves in a bad spot and had SvS right at the end and because they paniced, things went south quickly for them?

For someone who digs rather deep into meanings and reasoning, you're stopping incredibly short with your analysis on me. This seems incredibly forced by you at this point to try to save Bona.

There's a big difference between "I could be wrong about this read" and "I'm going to act the exact opposite of my read." Some humility about one's reads is fine, but how do you intend to solve anything if you're going to do the exact opposite of what your read means because you might be wrong?

Again add in that we have a Cop who, if they haven't checked Bona yet, should 100% be checking him tonight. If we get unlucky and Cop dies without outing, then maybe you kill him for info, but we literally have an informational role for this exact situation and you don't want to use it, you want to kill your alleged town read. Makes no sense.

I'm "stopping short" because you're behaving the exact opposite of what you say you believe and it makes no sense if you're town.

[President Eden]

Surely you have some information-based questions about people you suspect, worcej.

I'd use a hypothetical but I don't even know who your suspects are right now because you've spent all day working on hypotheticals where your town read is mafia.

[worcej]

You don't think the fact he believes bona is town and then says the wagon is pre-determined is odd because he is one of the people pushing it.

Was I?

When I voted Bona, I was the 8th vote on him.

Literally the bot tells you this:
27:00, worcej, ➙Bon. 8 Bon, 1 cel, 1 boz, 1 wo

Seems pretty 'pre-determined' when 8/13 people are voting the guy...

Dude that was directed at chaqa why do you care?
There was a lot of time left since than and look how not pre-determined it has been.
Secondly your posting has been pushing bona as a kill even though you were not the first vote but you have since then.

1. Doesn't matter, you're talking about me and my reasoning, so get it right and don't imply hypotheticals or fake concerns.
2. There was a lot of time, but we also all hammered BB and it came off as pre-determined then. You're crucifying me for end voting but didn't seem to give a shit when brain was hammered, why is that?
3. Not saying I am not pushing Bona, I think he needs to be flipped to explain EOD2 and narrow down the scum pool. We know that 3/5 scum did weird ass shit and we need to figure out why, which his flip will help.

[Donny Dude]

Why is there this obsession with solving eod 2 because to me it feels milked a bit. So we understand the scum thought process there too?
K, good point that the scumteam collapsed but I am concerned that it may not help us fully in the way we expect. Although if bona is scum it puts us in poe mode, but I think he is prob town so he is a cw then for ghug. I know i am ignoring nuances such as bb and hb weirdness around eod though.

[bozotheclown]

I know everyone is itching for the cop to reveal, but I agree with whoever is the cop that the right play is to lay low for now. Especially if they only have a few townclears right now.
Everyone chill

Why haven't you answered this question:

Fluminator - town
Bonatogether - town
aarodactyl - town
Jamiet - town
Chaqa - town
HR - townish vibes
PR - townish vibes
EMC - townish vibes
Worcej - townish vibes (weakest town read)

I think our pool should be out of these. I don't know how to read any of these people yet, but Bozo's VCA seems the sketchiest at a glance.
Damo
Donny Dude
Bozo
Celaph

What votes do you find suspicious?

I get the feeling Fluminator is trying to get me mis-killed by vaguely implying he is the cop then voting for me without explaining why.

[Donny Dude]

Why is there this obsession with solving eod 2 because to me it feels milked a bit. So we understand the scum thought process there too?
K, good point that the scumteam collapsed but I am concerned that it may not help us fully in the way we expect. Although if bona is scum it puts us in poe mode, but I think he is prob town so he is a cw then for ghug. I know i am ignoring nuances such as bb and hb weirdness around eod though.

We did a good job getting 3 scum out of it but a fourth in bona seems unlikely. Although I will say if it happens then bona is k, but it is not my preference anymore.

[President Eden]

Was I?

When I voted Bona, I was the 8th vote on him.

Literally the bot tells you this:
27:00, worcej, ➙Bon. 8 Bon, 1 cel, 1 boz, 1 wo

Seems pretty 'pre-determined' when 8/13 people are voting the guy...

Dude that was directed at chaqa why do you care?
There was a lot of time left since than and look how not pre-determined it has been.
Secondly your posting has been pushing bona as a kill even though you were not the first vote but you have since then.

1. Doesn't matter, you're talking about me and my reasoning, so get it right and don't imply hypotheticals or fake concerns.
2. There was a lot of time, but we also all hammered BB and it came off as pre-determined then. You're crucifying me for end voting but didn't seem to give a shit when brain was hammered, why is that?
3. Not saying I am not pushing Bona, I think he needs to be flipped to explain EOD2 and narrow down the scum pool. We know that 3/5 scum did weird ass shit and we need to figure out why, which his flip will help.

Well first of all brain was mafia and everyone thought it.

You are endhammering. your. town. read.

You get mad at me for Ockham's Razoring your nonsense but then make this totally nonsensical comparison???

[President Eden]

My vote's not moving unless there's a Cop scan

This is not an invitation to reveal just stating what I think

Nothing this guy is doing is making any sense

[Donny Dude]

Was I?

When I voted Bona, I was the 8th vote on him.

Literally the bot tells you this:
27:00, worcej, ➙Bon. 8 Bon, 1 cel, 1 boz, 1 wo

Seems pretty 'pre-determined' when 8/13 people are voting the guy...

Dude that was directed at chaqa why do you care?
There was a lot of time left since than and look how not pre-determined it has been.
Secondly your posting has been pushing bona as a kill even though you were not the first vote but you have since then.

1. Doesn't matter, you're talking about me and my reasoning, so get it right and don't imply hypotheticals or fake concerns.
2. There was a lot of time, but we also all hammered BB and it came off as pre-determined then. You're crucifying me for end voting but didn't seem to give a shit when brain was hammered, why is that?
3. Not saying I am not pushing Bona, I think he needs to be flipped to explain EOD2 and narrow down the scum pool. We know that 3/5 scum did weird ass shit and we need to figure out why, which his flip will help.

Number 2 is a different situation and you know damn well even brainbomb did that he was outed as scum.
I did not hammer and I voted for brain because I wanted there to be some discussion before it happened.

[celaph]

Who is omgus who?

It feels like PE's argument is that Worcej's vote choice is really stupid and illogical. Maybe last game just left me jaded, but I feel like there were lots of stupid town plays. That said, HB also self-voted earlier this game so maybe there are just a lot of stupid plays all around.

For future reference OMGUS = Oh My God, U're Scum! and refers to accusing someone because they accused you. Not, say, Stupid.

Huh, on the bot lingo page it is listed as "Oh My God U Suck". Good to know.

[worcej]

Surely you have some information-based questions about people you suspect, worcej.

I'd use a hypothetical but I don't even know who your suspects are right now because you've spent all day working on hypotheticals where your town read is mafia.

Okay, Eden:

1. Why are you being so incredibly shallow with your analysis on me right now? You've been doing deeper dives on others, yet meh atm. The reasoning is soft and you're going hardcore pushing with little actual substance.
2. Why have you been consistently late to actually voting scum so far, or on off wagons, and making a lot of noise that has been mostly wrong? You were on Maniac D1 (wrong), bona D2 (off-wagon, conveniently away from ghug), BB D3 (pre-determined), late as sin to HB (thus a good bus), and now D4 are pushing my slot suddenly because you don't like me voting for someone who I think is town, which I've already done once with the BB vote.

You want me to make an official statement, here you go: I think you're the scum deep threat and you're hoping that ND/myself are either a PR so that this push ends up forcing a claim from me or that the cop, who has most likely scanned me at this point because my slot was so contested early on, is forced out early to prevent one of his scanned town for flipping.

I already laid the initial comment about shading you, but here is my actual 'push' since you asked for it

[worcej]

Dude that was directed at chaqa why do you care?
There was a lot of time left since than and look how not pre-determined it has been.
Secondly your posting has been pushing bona as a kill even though you were not the first vote but you have since then.

1. Doesn't matter, you're talking about me and my reasoning, so get it right and don't imply hypotheticals or fake concerns.
2. There was a lot of time, but we also all hammered BB and it came off as pre-determined then. You're crucifying me for end voting but didn't seem to give a shit when brain was hammered, why is that?
3. Not saying I am not pushing Bona, I think he needs to be flipped to explain EOD2 and narrow down the scum pool. We know that 3/5 scum did weird ass shit and we need to figure out why, which his flip will help.

Well first of all brain was mafia and everyone thought it.

You are endhammering. your. town. read.

You get mad at me for Ockham's Razoring your nonsense but then make this totally nonsensical comparison???

WHO. CARES. IF. I. AM. HAMMERING. WHEN. NO. ONE. ELSE. IS.

[worcej]

My vote's not moving unless there's a Cop scan

This is not an invitation to reveal just stating what I think

Nothing this guy is doing is making any sense

Lol @ the cross post.

Literally called this shit - you want to force a PR claim out of me or a cop claim out early so you can NK them.

[President Eden]

You won't even vote me, just like brainbomb

[President Eden]

My vote's not moving unless there's a Cop scan

This is not an invitation to reveal just stating what I think

Nothing this guy is doing is making any sense

Lol @ the cross post.

Literally called this shit - you want to force a PR claim out of me or a cop claim out early so you can NK them.

What part of "This is not an invitation to reveal" didn't you get?

[worcej]

@Eden - my reasoning is sound and explicitly available for you, but you're hung up on the fact that I still have a hammer out there (which was put when Bona had a majority of votes) and that I still haven't removed it.

Why were you silent and not angry when we hammered BB? I don't recall any outrage from you then.

[celaph]

It feels like PE's argument is that Worcej's vote choice is really stupid and illogical. Maybe last game just left me jaded, but I feel like there were lots of stupid town plays. That said, HB also self-voted earlier this game so maybe there are just a lot of stupid plays all around.

For future reference OMGUS = Oh My God, U're Scum! and refers to accusing someone because they accused you. Not, say, Stupid.

Huh, on the bot lingo page it is listed as "Oh My God U Suck". Good to know.

Nvm, cross posted aaro. That's what I get for trying to play mafia in class.