MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[aarodactyl]

I’m torn between sheeping chaqa and caring about the game or sheeping flum and emc and disappearing until eod.

[bozotheclown]

Ghug and Hamilton were trying to railroad him (when he was ND) on Day 1.

Doesn't seem super likely they would do this to a teammate, especially when they didn't move over to Maniac (though brain and likely 1-2 other scum did).

Why would I not just bus ND on Day 1 and make me, ghug, and Hamilton all locktown until late game? You guys know I would do that.

This seems contradictory. Why do you think ghug and Hamilton would not keep bussing ND through EOD if you think ND flipping scum would get them so much town credit? Don't you think moving to Maniac (like brainbomb did) would implicate them later if ND flipped scum?

This was in relation to if I were scum with worcej, specifically.

My take is ghug and Hamilton didn't move because they didn't care who died.

If ND was town they did not care, but if ND was scum, they would look bad moving their vote at EOD, so I do not understand why you would expect them to "move over to Maniac" if ND was scum.

[worcej]

worcej, you think Bona is town. Your big theories at the beginning of your posting today all work on the assumption Bona is mafia. Who is the mafia if Bona is town? I see none of that in your reasoning. I don't even see an effort to try to figure that out, which is bizarre if you think Bona is likely town. You're spending the entire day on probabilities you have already said you think are unlikely and have put no solving effort into the world you think is likely.

And on top of that you are voting and endhammering someone you think is town.

That is ludicrous.

##VOTE worcej

What you are describing as not solving is literally trying to solve, but you do you. I literally explained exactly why I want to flip Bona even with thinking he is town.

The end vote was applied when Bona was being pushed up by many people. I am keeping it there currently because it annoys people now, which I find interesting.

[bozotheclown]

I’m torn between sheeping chaqa and caring about the game or sheeping flum and emc and disappearing until eod.

Fluminator and emc are voting for different players.

[worcej]

You also never explained why you think the D1 voting makes me and Hellenic Riot look bad, when the only way it could possibly make us look bad is if you're mafia and we just didn't vote your slot out D1.

It looks bad because of where you moved. But just looking bad isn't indicative of scum necessarily, town can just as easily do bad votes.

[aarodactyl]

I’m torn between sheeping chaqa and caring about the game or sheeping flum and emc and disappearing until eod.

Fluminator and emc are voting for different players.

I’m talking about attitude, not votes.

[worcej]

Worcej is like the most obvious town. you guys are being real dumb again this game

Yes they are, but I've done enough analysis that if you pay attention to it after I flip then you're fine.

Also, I am pretty sure there are really good odds I got scanned, so add this push by Eden as another scum point for him because he is trying to force a cop claim early so that he could prevent a scan.

[President Eden]

You also never explained why you think the D1 voting makes me and Hellenic Riot look bad, when the only way it could possibly make us look bad is if you're mafia and we just didn't vote your slot out D1.

It looks bad because of where you moved. But just looking bad isn't indicative of scum necessarily, town can just as easily do bad votes.

How do you know me voting Maniac was a bad vote compared to the other options at EOD1?

worcej, you think Bona is town. Your big theories at the beginning of your posting today all work on the assumption Bona is mafia. Who is the mafia if Bona is town? I see none of that in your reasoning. I don't even see an effort to try to figure that out, which is bizarre if you think Bona is likely town. You're spending the entire day on probabilities you have already said you think are unlikely and have put no solving effort into the world you think is likely.

And on top of that you are voting and endhammering someone you think is town.

That is ludicrous.

##VOTE worcej

What you are describing as not solving is literally trying to solve, but you do you. I literally explained exactly why I want to flip Bona even with thinking he is town.

The end vote was applied when Bona was being pushed up by many people. I am keeping it there currently because it annoys people now, which I find interesting.

We have a Cop dude, why are you not even trying to find mafia right now or theorize about the world where Bona is town.

[President Eden]

Worcej is like the most obvious town. you guys are being real dumb again this game

Yes they are, but I've done enough analysis that if you pay attention to it after I flip then you're fine.

Also, I am pretty sure there are really good odds I got scanned, so add this push by Eden as another scum point for him because he is trying to force a cop claim early so that he could prevent a scan.

WTF are you even talking about? I'm not trying to force a Cop claim you dingus. I'm trying to kill you because you're mafia. I don't know if the Cop scanned you or not.

[Donny Dude]

Worcej is like the most obvious town. you guys are being real dumb again this game

Yes they are, but I've done enough analysis that if you pay attention to it after I flip then you're fine.

Also, I am pretty sure there are really good odds I got scanned, so add this push by Eden as another scum point for him because he is trying to force a cop claim early so that he could prevent a scan.

K good point but we don't know who cop is. And I would like to keep it that way.
You believe eden is actively hunting for the cop?

[celaph]

@celaph Where are his mafia suspects in there? The most important thing isn't to give 3 townreads to people who are generally being townread. It's to find the mafia that need to be voted instead of his townread.

How the fuck am I getting any pushback over the idea that being the first person to endhammer your town read is scummy.

Sorry, yes. Cross posted this with my vote. You're argument feels more OMGUS than anything, but I want to hear what he thinks so I've put my vote there.

Who is omgus who?

It feels like PE's argument is that Worcej's vote choice is really stupid and illogical. Maybe last game just left me jaded, but I feel like there were lots of stupid town plays. That said, HB also self-voted earlier this game so maybe there are just a lot of stupid plays all around.

[worcej]

You don't think the fact he believes bona is town and then says the wagon is pre-determined is odd because he is one of the people pushing it.

Was I?

When I voted Bona, I was the 8th vote on him.

Literally the bot tells you this:
27:00, worcej, ➙Bon. 8 Bon, 1 cel, 1 boz, 1 wo

Seems pretty 'pre-determined' when 8/13 people are voting the guy...

[President Eden]

You don't think the fact he believes bona is town and then says the wagon is pre-determined is odd because he is one of the people pushing it.

Was I?

When I voted Bona, I was the 8th vote on him.

Literally the bot tells you this:
27:00, worcej, ➙Bon. 8 Bon, 1 cel, 1 boz, 1 wo

Seems pretty 'pre-determined' when 8/13 people are voting the guy...

There was a full fucking day left dude. Find mafia to push instead.

You were the first to endhammer. Why were you trying to make it even more predetermined if you thought the flip would be town?

[Donny Dude]

Sorry, yes. Cross posted this with my vote. You're argument feels more OMGUS than anything, but I want to hear what he thinks so I've put my vote there.

Who is omgus who?

It feels like PE's argument is that Worcej's vote choice is really stupid and illogical. Maybe last game just left me jaded, but I feel like there were lots of stupid town plays. That said, HB also self-voted earlier this game so maybe there are just a lot of stupid plays all around.

K, that makes sense. But typically 3 mafia outing themselves out of a single eod is not typical either so yeah.
It makes me wonder if bona + eden is a scumteam, but that
seems unlikely.

[worcej]

You don't think the fact he believes bona is town and then says the wagon is pre-determined is odd because he is one of the people pushing it.

It's a little odd, but I don't think it's scummy. More so, I think he believes that the Bona wagon needs to happen to get us all past it. I somewhat agree - I think you will all keep obsessing over Bona (and worcej) when both are, to me, obvtown.

Difference is you were actually fighting for other wagons and putting your vote on your suspects.

This guy fuckin votes his townread and is the first to endhammer when no one asked him to. And has given no theories today about the world where Bona is town, which is the one he thinks is more likely than not.

Hey Eden, do yourself a favor and go actually read why I think we should flip him.

I said it all very thoroughly and put my thought process into the open.

[President Eden]

Sorry, yes. Cross posted this with my vote. You're argument feels more OMGUS than anything, but I want to hear what he thinks so I've put my vote there.

Who is omgus who?

It feels like PE's argument is that Worcej's vote choice is really stupid and illogical. Maybe last game just left me jaded, but I feel like there were lots of stupid town plays. That said, HB also self-voted earlier this game so maybe there are just a lot of stupid plays all around.

For future reference OMGUS = Oh My God, U're Scum! and refers to accusing someone because they accused you. Not, say, Stupid.

[President Eden]

It's a little odd, but I don't think it's scummy. More so, I think he believes that the Bona wagon needs to happen to get us all past it. I somewhat agree - I think you will all keep obsessing over Bona (and worcej) when both are, to me, obvtown.

Difference is you were actually fighting for other wagons and putting your vote on your suspects.

This guy fuckin votes his townread and is the first to endhammer when no one asked him to. And has given no theories today about the world where Bona is town, which is the one he thinks is more likely than not.

Hey Eden, do yourself a favor and go actually read why I think we should flip him.

I said it all very thoroughly and put my thought process into the open.

Because if he is mafia you can catch the other one. OK great. What about the fact that you don't think he is mafia and you have no theory for who is mafia if he isn't and you aren't trying to find one.

[worcej]

This feels a bit like "okay hold up, let me spend the entire discussion playing dumb and causing confusion" thing you do as imposter in Among Us, Eden.

Now this I'll take into consideration more.

[President Eden]

This feels a bit like "okay hold up, let me spend the entire discussion playing dumb and causing confusion" thing you do as imposter in Among Us, Eden.

Now this I'll take into consideration more.

Oh of course you will. You only care about these things when they fit your agenda.

Literally vote me if you sus me just stop fucking voting your townread Jesus Christ.

[aarodactyl]

Who is omgus who?

It feels like PE's argument is that Worcej's vote choice is really stupid and illogical. Maybe last game just left me jaded, but I feel like there were lots of stupid town plays. That said, HB also self-voted earlier this game so maybe there are just a lot of stupid plays all around.

For future reference OMGUS = Oh My God, U're Scum! and refers to accusing someone because they accused you. Not, say, Stupid.

"OMGUS Oh My God U Suck
While occasionally used on its own as an insult, it's usually used as an inferred reasoning for purely retaliatory actions. For instance, an OMGUS vote on someone is one made purely on the basis that they are voting for you."

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