MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie quick we're yeetwagoning worcej let's go!

What does "yeet" actually mean?

[Chaqa]

Jamie quick we're yeetwagoning worcej let's go!

What does "yeet" actually mean?

Yeet for distance. Kobe for accuracy.

[Jamiet99uk]

worcej, you think Bona is town. Your big theories at the beginning of your posting today all work on the assumption Bona is mafia. Who is the mafia if Bona is town? I see none of that in your reasoning. I don't even see an effort to try to figure that out, which is bizarre if you think Bona is likely town. You're spending the entire day on probabilities you have already said you think are unlikely and have put no solving effort into the world you think is likely.

And on top of that you are voting and endhammering someone you think is town.

That is ludicrous.

##VOTE worcej

I think there is merit to this.

I would be interested to see Worcej's response.

[Donny Dude]

And to be clear - I am leaning towards Bona is town. I think the VCA shows him to be the scapecoat for the scum and if I am wrong, which is normally the case, and bona is scum, then the last scum must be one of bozo, HR, and Flurga.

This is his second post of the day chaqa.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie quick we're yeetwagoning worcej let's go!

What does "yeet" actually mean?

Yeet for distance. Kobe for accuracy.

Then I would rather Kobewagon than Yeetwagon.

[President Eden]

I'm going to go through and ISO worcej's Day 5 if you make me, but I just don't think it's him. I think the last two scum are probably in the group of Flum, celaph, Bozo, HR, and Donny.

Worcej is more possible scum than Bona, though.

Do I need to fake hardclaim Cop or something to make you do it? Cuz I will. Just go back and reread, I promise you he's the first one to endhammer on Bona and it comes with a full day left in the turn, that he uses the words "scapegoat for mafia" and "likely town" in description of Bona, and that all of his theorizing today assumes Bona is mafia.

Also how did you not reread when you plucked those messages out of the bot

I did go through it. Not once today does he say he thinks Bona is scum. I meant, I will post his posts one by one and show you why you're mistaken. He does a lot of "if bona is scum, then X" or "if bona does indeed flip town, then Y" type stuff, but he does not say he thinks Bona is scum.

In fact, I follow his logic pretty easily.

That's my whole point you dingus. He doesn't have any "if Bona flips town then Y." He's spent no time trying to solve the game under the situation that he thinks is more likely. All his theorizing assumes Bona is mafia. Yet he declares Bona the "scapegoat for mafia" (while apparently finishing the job they wanted to start?) and "likely town." Why is there no theorizing about the world he thinks is more likely? What happens to his effort today if the outcome he thinks is more likely to be true? Why spend all this time on a world he doesn't think is likely, and why the fuck did he lead the endhammering on his own town read with a full day to go?

[Donny Dude]

@worcej

Do you not think that it's weird that it took the scum that we know of so long to actually vote Bona, that none of them made an active case to try and get him killed, and that the other scum member not only refused to vote him but refused the chance to tie it between ghug and Bona despite having apparently tried to tie it once already? And if Bona is town, why was HB trying to tie instead of just voting Bona?

Worcej is voting for Bona, though, right?
So surely if you are right, we flip scum, and if Worcej is right, we learn something. No?

Yes, this is what I am getting at too. I think Bona is the best flip right now with the pool of information available, but I am inclined to believe he is town.

The flip will allow for more VCA with remaining players to review and paint a better image of what the heck happened on D2, which is loaded with a lot of weird moves between Brain, Ghug, and HB that need to be understood better.

So bona is town and should be voted out?

[Chaqa]

If you could all go read through this:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=d5-&g=63

Then you'll see why you're mistaken.

I do think it's strange to hammer vote someone you think is town, but his explanation and logic makes sense, and I had the same thoughts initially. I decided to defend Bona instead only after our Among Us games last night made me have an "a-ha!" moment on him.

[President Eden]

This feels a bit like "okay hold up, let me spend the entire discussion playing dumb and causing confusion" thing you do as imposter in Among Us, Eden.

No it doesn't, this feels like when somebody was "guarding the medscanner" and missed the impostor run in and stack kill and then loudly shout down the medclears

[Donny Dude]

He is voting and still endhammering him chaqa. If he believes bona is town then why endhammer.

[Chaqa]

[snip...]

That said, @worcej, I think your conclusions ignore the possibility that a scum put ghug as worse than bona earlier in the day to distance and then realized that they couldn't vote Bona that without looking really scummy.

I don't disregard this possibility and should Bona flip town, that would be the next step in evaluating likelihood of scum.

@Eden:

please learn to read. Thanks. You'd think a future lawyer would be more detail-oriented.

[Jamiet99uk]

Worcej's arguments for why town!bona should be daykilled are also plausible reasons to daykill Worcej, aren't they?

[Chaqa]

This feels a bit like "okay hold up, let me spend the entire discussion playing dumb and causing confusion" thing you do as imposter in Among Us, Eden.

No it doesn't, this feels like when somebody was "guarding the medscanner" and missed the impostor run in and stack kill and then loudly shout down the medclears

You two accused me as well, don't forget. If two people accuse me of a kill I didn't make, how am I supposed to react?

[Chaqa]

Worcej's arguments for why town!bona should be daykilled are also plausible reasons to daykill Worcej, aren't they?

Both of them voted for ghug. That wagon was so close, there's low likelihood mafia were on it. I think voting either of them without a guilty scan at this point is really dumb.

[Donny Dude]

Why am I starting to think chaqa is trying to cover for his scummate worcej, either that or he is pocketed hard.

[Chaqa]

lmao

[Chaqa]

So I defended my teammate ND from my teammates ghug and Hamilton Day 1, then pushed my teammate ghug, then helped vote him out, only to come back around and defend my teammate worcej?

Did I scar this community that hard?

[President Eden]

[snip...]

That said, @worcej, I think your conclusions ignore the possibility that a scum put ghug as worse than bona earlier in the day to distance and then realized that they couldn't vote Bona that without looking really scummy.

I don't disregard this possibility and should Bona flip town, that would be the next step in evaluating likelihood of scum.

@Eden:

please learn to read. Thanks. You'd think a future lawyer would be more detail-oriented.

Are you deliberately missing the point or playing dumb?

The grand total of his theorizing about town Bona is "I will look at this idea tomorrow." After Bona is dead. Why not do it now and try to make a case for why it isn't Bona based on that?

Compare that token sentence to the effort he puts into the mafia Bona theory, which he's said he doesn't believe is likely. It's plain as fucking day that this makes no sense.

[Chaqa]

Why would I not just bus ND on Day 1 and make me, ghug, and Hamilton all locktown until late game? You guys know I would do that.

[President Eden]

So I defended my teammate ND from my teammates ghug and Hamilton Day 1, then pushed my teammate ghug, then helped vote him out, only to come back around and defend my teammate worcej?

Did I scar this community that hard?

You can't blame us for thinking you might be mafia given that your pushback on our worcej idea is objectively terrible.