MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

You also never explained why you think the D1 voting makes me and Hellenic Riot look bad, when the only way it could possibly make us look bad is if you're mafia and we just didn't vote your slot out D1.

[Donny Dude]

##VOTE worcej

[Bonatogether]

worcej, you think Bona is town. Your big theories at the beginning of your posting today all work on the assumption Bona is mafia. Who is the mafia if Bona is town? I see none of that in your reasoning. I don't even see an effort to try to figure that out, which is bizarre if you think Bona is likely town. You're spending the entire day on probabilities you have already said you think are unlikely and have put no solving effort into the world you think is likely.

And on top of that you are voting and endhammering someone you think is town.

That is ludicrous.

##VOTE worcej

##vote worcej

[Chaqa]

Worcej is like the most obvious town. you guys are being real dumb again this game

[President Eden]

Worcej is like the most obvious town. you guys are being real dumb again this game

Why is he endhammering his town read?

[Donny Dude]

Worcej is like the most obvious town. you guys are being real dumb again this game

How is he obvious town chaqa?

[Chaqa]

@Eden/Donny: I actually went back and read worcej's reasoning.

He seems pretty back and forth, as if he's unsure, much as town would be. His reason for hammering is explained since, when everyone piled onto Bona, it seems to be a "pre-determined/necessary" wagon. See some selected posts I've chosen:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... d=w:209590

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... d=w:209592

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... d=w:209617

[Chaqa]

Worcej is like the most obvious town. you guys are being real dumb again this game

How is he obvious town chaqa?

Ghug and Hamilton were trying to railroad him (when he was ND) on Day 1.

Doesn't seem super likely they would do this to a teammate, especially when they didn't move over to Maniac (though brain and likely 1-2 other scum did).

[Donny Dude]

You don't think the fact he believes bona is town and then says the wagon is pre-determined is odd because he is one of the people pushing it.

[President Eden]

@Eden/Donny: I actually went back and read worcej's reasoning.

He seems pretty back and forth, as if he's unsure, much as town would be. His reason for hammering is explained since, when everyone piled onto Bona, it seems to be a "pre-determined/necessary" wagon. See some selected posts I've chosen:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... d=w:209590

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... d=w:209592

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... d=w:209617

He says "Bona is likely town" and calls him "the scapegoat for mafia" then spends the rest of the day talking about scenarios where Bona is mafia. That's not back and forth, that's a total lack of conviction in what he's saying, because if he actually believed Bona were town then he would be trying to figure out what that means for the rest of the game and who is likely mafia based on the d2 wagons and on today's voting and pushing.

He declares the kill "inevitable" halfway through the phase, which has obviously proven to be false, and was obviously false at the time too (there's over a day left, PUSH YOUR MAFIA SUSPECTS INSTEAD!). Then he is the first person to endhammer! He's not observing that the wagon is inevitable, he's trying to MAKE it inevitable. And when only aaro and Bona follow, and the wagon peters out, he is... nowhere to be found pushing anything! Just in the thread saying things that don't matter.

Worcej is like the most obvious town. you guys are being real dumb again this game

How is he obvious town chaqa?

Ghug and Hamilton were trying to railroad him (when he was ND) on Day 1.

Doesn't seem super likely they would do this to a teammate, especially when they didn't move over to Maniac (though brain and likely 1-2 other scum did).

I don't think they thought ND was actually going to get killed, because there was vocal pushback from several other players, and also a lot of EOD activity trying to find a better wagon than ND.

You of all people should know that mafia will bus each other on day 1 in situations like this, since you bused teacon last game with no reasoning given simply to get distancing credit later. Why are you so positive that didn't happen here?

[President Eden]

Now I'm starting to think Chaqa is the other one lol. He just played an insanely memorable mafia game where mafia did exactly what I'm arguing they'd have done here, if worcej is mafia, and Chaqa is all like "nah no way dude couldn't happen"

[Chaqa]

You don't think the fact he believes bona is town and then says the wagon is pre-determined is odd because he is one of the people pushing it.

It's a little odd, but I don't think it's scummy. More so, I think he believes that the Bona wagon needs to happen to get us all past it. I somewhat agree - I think you will all keep obsessing over Bona (and worcej) when both are, to me, obvtown.

[President Eden]

You don't think the fact he believes bona is town and then says the wagon is pre-determined is odd because he is one of the people pushing it.

It's a little odd, but I don't think it's scummy. More so, I think he believes that the Bona wagon needs to happen to get us all past it. I somewhat agree - I think you will all keep obsessing over Bona (and worcej) when both are, to me, obvtown.

Difference is you were actually fighting for other wagons and putting your vote on your suspects.

This guy fuckin votes his townread and is the first to endhammer when no one asked him to. And has given no theories today about the world where Bona is town, which is the one he thinks is more likely than not.

[Chaqa]

I'm going to go through and ISO worcej's Day 5 if you make me, but I just don't think it's him. I think the last two scum are probably in the group of Flum, celaph, Bozo, HR, and Donny.

Worcej is more possible scum than Bona, though.

[Chaqa]

I know it's totally crazy for me to be discounting bussing, but the context of this game is different. I do agree that if mafia cross-shading happened, it could have been on Day 1, but I just don't see it being the case here.

[President Eden]

I'm going to go through and ISO worcej's Day 5 if you make me, but I just don't think it's him. I think the last two scum are probably in the group of Flum, celaph, Bozo, HR, and Donny.

Worcej is more possible scum than Bona, though.

Do I need to fake hardclaim Cop or something to make you do it? Cuz I will. Just go back and reread, I promise you he's the first one to endhammer on Bona and it comes with a full day left in the turn, that he uses the words "scapegoat for mafia" and "likely town" in description of Bona, and that all of his theorizing today assumes Bona is mafia.

Also how did you not reread when you plucked those messages out of the bot

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie @Donny

Hello?

Hi sorry I just left this window open. I was working on one of my other computers.

[President Eden]

Jamie quick we're yeetwagoning worcej let's go!

[Chaqa]

I'm going to go through and ISO worcej's Day 5 if you make me, but I just don't think it's him. I think the last two scum are probably in the group of Flum, celaph, Bozo, HR, and Donny.

Worcej is more possible scum than Bona, though.

Do I need to fake hardclaim Cop or something to make you do it? Cuz I will. Just go back and reread, I promise you he's the first one to endhammer on Bona and it comes with a full day left in the turn, that he uses the words "scapegoat for mafia" and "likely town" in description of Bona, and that all of his theorizing today assumes Bona is mafia.

Also how did you not reread when you plucked those messages out of the bot

I did go through it. Not once today does he say he thinks Bona is scum. I meant, I will post his posts one by one and show you why you're mistaken. He does a lot of "if bona is scum, then X" or "if bona does indeed flip town, then Y" type stuff, but he does not say he thinks Bona is scum.

In fact, I follow his logic pretty easily.

[Chaqa]

This feels a bit like "okay hold up, let me spend the entire discussion playing dumb and causing confusion" thing you do as imposter in Among Us, Eden.