MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[e.m.c^42]

I really shouldn't townread Chaqa at this point, but I do, I do - such bad tastes I have.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bona is innocent.

EMC is guilty.

Eden is innocent.

I know you're right about at least one of these so good enough for me

##VOTE e.m.c^42

To be honest I don't mind a Bona flip either, but I trust Sherchaq Holmes

Hello, Eden. I have a few questions for you:

1. Was your vote on Worcej serious and, if so, why did you move off so quickly?

2. Does it bother you that Worcej is so absent from the game?

3. What do you think about Bonatogether saying a Worcej wagon was impossible today, but something he wants to do tomorrow?

[aarodactyl]

Oh screw it. I might change my vote later, but ##vote Bona.

To be honest, I have no great reason for this beyond how hesitant they are to push any wagons and how they called voting them out pro-town.

[damo666]

I am only willing to vote for the following today:

celaph HR Flum Bozo Donny [that order]

[Jamiet99uk]

I am only willing to vote for the following today:

celaph HR Flum Bozo Donny [that order]

Is that from most to least or from least to most?

You're certain that both EMC and Bona are town?

[damo666]

I am only willing to vote for the following today:

celaph HR Flum Bozo Donny [that order]

Is that from most to least or from least to most?

You're certain that both EMC and Bona are town?

1. I'm currently voting celaph so most to least.

2. Can't say

[aarodactyl]

Bona is innocent.

EMC is guilty.

Eden is innocent.

I know you're right about at least one of these so good enough for me

##VOTE e.m.c^42

To be honest I don't mind a Bona flip either, but I trust Sherchaq Holmes

Chaqa, isn't it weird to you that most votes on EMC this game look like this?

[Chaqa]

Bona is innocent.

EMC is guilty.

Eden is innocent.

I know you're right about at least one of these so good enough for me

##VOTE e.m.c^42

To be honest I don't mind a Bona flip either, but I trust Sherchaq Holmes

Chaqa, isn't it weird to you that most votes on EMC this game look like this?

I assume people have been sheeping me based on one of two assumptions:
1. That I am the cop
2. That I have a good ability to read EMC

[aarodactyl]

I know you're right about at least one of these so good enough for me

##VOTE e.m.c^42

To be honest I don't mind a Bona flip either, but I trust Sherchaq Holmes

Chaqa, isn't it weird to you that most votes on EMC this game look like this?

I assume people have been sheeping me based on one of two assumptions:
1. That I am the cop
2. That I have a good ability to read EMC

I guess that's fair. I did the same thing for most of last round, so I don't necessarily think all the voting is scummy. It's just weird considering that there haven't been any thought out reasons for voting EMC besides either "I'm chaqa and EMC is scum" or "I trust Chaqa and EMC is scum"

[President Eden]

Bona is innocent.

EMC is guilty.

Eden is innocent.

I know you're right about at least one of these so good enough for me

##VOTE e.m.c^42

To be honest I don't mind a Bona flip either, but I trust Sherchaq Holmes

Hello, Eden. I have a few questions for you:

1. Was your vote on Worcej serious and, if so, why did you move off so quickly?

2. Does it bother you that Worcej is so absent from the game?

3. What do you think about Bonatogether saying a Worcej wagon was impossible today, but something he wants to do tomorrow?

worcej had some bizarre takes on the game that didn't sit right with me, but I put enough weight on two things to townread worcej anyway (at least for now):

1. Brian mixing up the subs
2. ghug and Brian both blatantly parking on a 100% absent ND when a sub was known to be lined up

And in full disclosure, the amount of weight I assigned to #1 has dropped steadily since I last discussed it a day or so ago. No offense meant to Brian, but I think he may just be scatterbrained enough to mix up the subs regardless of whether he "should" be more aware of his teammates' identities.

However, now that we know that two mafia were camping out on ND when they knew a sub was on the way, it seems really unlikely that they were camping on an afk mafia.

There's another thing to consider as well:

If worcej were mafia, then both arguments would heavily imply that he could only be mafia with Fluminator. Brian could obviously mix up the subs much more easily if both subs were mafia, and while I don't think Brian would ordinarily camp on a partner the way he did, he would do it if he saw ghug and Durga doing it. And I think ghug and Durga would do it to ND, but basically no one else.

worcej and Fluminator are somewhat paired in my mind as a result, but EOD2 struggles to make much sense if they were the last two:
1. Why would worcej commit himself to busing the Roleblocker so early into Day 2? Why stick with it even when the other people who were pushing ghug early in Day 2 (myself, Chaqa) ended up on other wagons for significant parts of Day 2?
2. Why were three mafia (brainbomb, Brian, worcej) busing the Roleblocker when Bona was a viable town counterwagon?

It's hard to dismiss "mafia messed up" as a counterargument to those questions, given how the game has gone. But it just don't seem right.

[Hellenic Riot]

##vote bona since, well, answers weren't had.

You're only voting me because I'm voting you, and I gave you an answer.

But why are you voting emc?

[Hellenic Riot]

Calling Bona voters

If Bona is scum why on D2 when the brain wagon started to diminish didn't he switch to brain (or anyone else for that matter) thus sacrificing himself in favour of the power roles [and with any luck he might get a tie], that has to be better than staying on ghug surely?

How many people are going to throw themselves into a spike pit in their first ever scum game to save their partners?

[President Eden]

I guess I didn't directly answer those questions, I got lost in a reread on worcej as I was thinking.

1 & 2. I was mostly kidding -- obviously I was not being terribly serious when I switched my vote after literally one minute while saying "worcej took too long."
I think his understanding of the game state makes little sense and I heavily dislike how he seems to have vanished. I think I actually would be voting for him based on behavioral analysis. The information we received just makes it hard, though.

3. I don't really get it, it's kind of a bizarre declaration from the frontrunner wagon today, but I don't get the mafia motivation behind it either.

I will say that I find it hard to believe worcej would commit himself to busing the Roleblocker and not even leave open the opportunity to kill the Goon instead.

[Bonatogether]

Calling Bona voters

If Bona is scum why on D2 when the brain wagon started to diminish didn't he switch to brain (or anyone else for that matter) thus sacrificing himself in favour of the power roles [and with any luck he might get a tie], that has to be better than staying on ghug surely?

How many people are going to throw themselves into a spike pit in their first ever scum game to save their partners?

me

[Bonatogether]

##vote bona since, well, answers weren't had.

You're only voting me because I'm voting you, and I gave you an answer.

But why are you voting emc?

Because I trust Chaqa here.

[Chaqa]

##Unvote

So I guess I'll explain sorta what I was thinking with this whole EMC thing. And bare in mind, I didn't have this entirely planned out from the get-go. On Day 2, I decided to push EMC with some relatively flimsy reasoning, trying to hint I may have a guilty on him. I was curious to see who would follow along and also to see if I would draw a night-kill over it.

Obviously, ghug's flip necessitated the mafia kill Vecna first, so I had to continue the charade into Day 3, when we got brainbomb. Knowing now that the cop was going to be our best asset, I tried slightly to double down on the hints I had a guilty on EMC. I feel like Bunny's fake-copping was more convincing, but also I think if EMC were scum, I'd have been shot on Night 3 or 4.

I actually have thought EMC was town for sure since yesterday, but I had some urgent stuff come up IRL and couldn't be around to explain or pull votes to a different wagon.

I continued this today to see who would keep following me on it, but the confusion might be getting too deep now.

Anyway, I think EMC is town. Despite all evidence, I think Bona is probably town as well. Eden, I'm less sure on.

[Chaqa]

You're only voting me because I'm voting you, and I gave you an answer.

But why are you voting emc?

Because I trust Chaqa here.

See my above post, but I actually don't think EMC Is scum. I was hoping he would play along and he did. I think you're town as well, Bona.

[President Eden]

Rude, I'll sheep the other soft cop then

##VOTE celaph

[Bonatogether]

##vote celaph

[President Eden]

##vote celaph

You still don't want to try worcej today eh