Ok then. I wasn’t around. And don’t know who the European players are.Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:03 pmThe problem with this theory is that every living European player bar Jamie (who went to sleep 20 minutes before EoN and therefore it's pretty hard to argue *could not* have helped out), was around at the EoN and the first hour after it.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 pmSharing before EON would provide a chance to scan most informative player.
There’s also something to be said for scanning players who could surprise us.
One other thing I just thought of: the European players may be scum and disadvantage at EOD/EON. Yes I posted my hyposcan at 2 hours to go. But that was 11 PM and they may not have been here to help HB![]()
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As far as I am aware it's only me, Damo, and Jamie left. Flum is Canadian. I'm not sure about Bona and Celaph but their average posting hours suggest American timezones too. The other Europeans (Maniac & Vecna) are dead.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:05 pmOk then. I wasn’t around. And don’t know who the European players are.Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:03 pmThe problem with this theory is that every living European player bar Jamie (who went to sleep 20 minutes before EoN and therefore it's pretty hard to argue *could not* have helped out), was around at the EoN and the first hour after it.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 pm
Sharing before EON would provide a chance to scan most informative player.
There’s also something to be said for scanning players who could surprise us.
One other thing I just thought of: the European players may be scum and disadvantage at EOD/EON. Yes I posted my hyposcan at 2 hours to go. But that was 11 PM and they may not have been here to help HB![]()
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Ah right. Vecna is Dutch. I swear I always confuse him and Flum. Ok. Knowing their nationalities may help keep them separate going forward.Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:08 pmAs far as I am aware it's only me, Damo, and Jamie left. Flum is Canadian. I'm not sure about Bona and Celaph but their average posting hours suggest American timezones too. The other Europeans (Maniac & Vecna) are dead.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:05 pmOk then. I wasn’t around. And don’t know who the European players are.Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:03 pm
The problem with this theory is that every living European player bar Jamie (who went to sleep 20 minutes before EoN and therefore it's pretty hard to argue *could not* have helped out), was around at the EoN and the first hour after it.![]()
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I'm in MarylandHellenic Riot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:08 pmAs far as I am aware it's only me, Damo, and Jamie left. Flum is Canadian. I'm not sure about Bona and Celaph but their average posting hours suggest American timezones too. The other Europeans (Maniac & Vecna) are dead.
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Love that state.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:09 pmI'm in MarylandHellenic Riot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:08 pmAs far as I am aware it's only me, Damo, and Jamie left. Flum is Canadian. I'm not sure about Bona and Celaph but their average posting hours suggest American timezones too. The other Europeans (Maniac & Vecna) are dead.
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Really? Which ones do you remember with fondness? Obviously no pub at the moment due to lockdown, but my "local" is the Angel Inn, and I also tend to spend a bit of time in the Olde Elm Tree, the Head of Steam, and the Colpitts.damo666 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:24 pmI think I've drunk in most of the pubs in Durham.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:05 pmFor the record since this seems to be a topic of discussion, my location is accurate. I live in Durham in the United Kingdom. The phase deadline is occurring at 1am, my time. It's not super convenient for me. The usual phase process time happens at 11pm for me, so Tom has moved it by two hours.
I am however a bit of a night owl. I have missed only one EoN so far, and I've been here for all four EoDs, I think. I was forced to stay up for the most recent one due to Damo's shenanigans. I'm still not sure what Damo thinks all of that achieved.
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I can't really remember the names but I do remember Colpitts. Basic, cheap and proper boozer.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:45 pmReally? Which ones do you remember with fondness? Obviously no pub at the moment due to lockdown, but my "local" is the Angel Inn, and I also tend to spend a bit of time in the Olde Elm Tree, the Head of Steam, and the Colpitts.damo666 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:24 pmI think I've drunk in most of the pubs in Durham.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:05 pmFor the record since this seems to be a topic of discussion, my location is accurate. I live in Durham in the United Kingdom. The phase deadline is occurring at 1am, my time. It's not super convenient for me. The usual phase process time happens at 11pm for me, so Tom has moved it by two hours.
I am however a bit of a night owl. I have missed only one EoN so far, and I've been here for all four EoDs, I think. I was forced to stay up for the most recent one due to Damo's shenanigans. I'm still not sure what Damo thinks all of that achieved.
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Very wise assessment from Bunny here.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:14 amSo, I'd just like to suggest: you're ascribing VERY high level analysis by the mafia team. They'd need to be able to predict this out days, and anticipate the play.President Eden wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:10 amI think the moment we all collectively decided that a mafia was actually the Cop, we accidentally put that mafia on a timer. How much time varies, but probably 2-3 days, depending on what level we think the Doc & mafia played on, and how deep the mafia was willing to go on propping Brian up as a Cop. Regardless, a timer, and D4 is a realistic window where time would run out--the lower end of that window, but within that window.BunnyGo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:56 am
You're suggesting in your theory that scum purposefully played badly so that we wouldn't be forced to play well and catch them. Look, this group is not going to do well with Hamilton claiming cop.
N3: they kill rdr. Bunny and Pres say: "damn, scum decided to outguess the doctor and not go for the cop"
N4: they hold the kill. Hamilton claims he was saved. Bunny and Pres say: "damn...nice job doctor!"
N5: they kill
N6: they kill
by now they've gone deep. Yes, Hamilton won't make it to the end, but the scum will get reaction tests to suss out the doctor, the cop, and keep us from getting lots of intel from scum flips.
But your theory is: nah man, it's too straightforward. You gotta go next level! Cut him loose, because town will always get that right. So scum are going to make some weaker psychological bussing plays for less definitive gains.
Right as the second day rolled over where the mafia made it obvious that they didn't think Brian was the Cop, Brian starts inexplicably flubbing his fake Cop play and flubbing it real bad, to the point where we all realized pretty early in D4 that this guy couldn't be the real Cop, and we had to decide whether we believed that he got himself roped into this thing as VT.
If the mafia know Brian is on a timer and aren't sure exactly when town is going to decide that time is up, it might behoove them to take the initiative and decide what day Brian goes down. That makes the game situation more static and predictable, so it's easier for them to set the narrative they want.
The only other thing that makes sense to me is that they left it in our hands to decide when Brian dies, maybe voted him maybe didn't, but made sure not to tie themselves to him in any way.
I realize those two theories are contradicting, but I'm not sure which one makes more sense yet. I think the first one is what I would have done, out of those two, but I don't know that the mafia would agree.
I'm suggestion that most quality mafia teams just sit back and don't screw up and force town to get things right.
I think you should be wary ascribing high level play to the scum team here as opposed to the more obvious choice: The team is AWOL and/or inexperienced. This will lead to a very different hunt than your hypothesis.
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Maybe the cop is afraid to claim due to the anti-cop attitudes currently ![Cool 8-)](./images/smilies/icon_cool.gif)
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VCA tends to disagree with Bona being scum atm...President Eden wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:16 amfucking lol. This probably won't help y'all much, but I know for a fact that he named two townies (myself and rivera) as town, and I currently feel anywhere from moderately to extremely positive about the rest of his town reads. Unless someone's doing a great job slipping under the radar, I'm pretty sure brainbomb listed all townies as town and that the other two mafia are either Bona (who is absent) and one null, or two nulls. He didn't even bother pretending to suspect a townie.
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Wild statement... I am growing fond of the idea of flipping Eden.
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Way too many candidates before PE at the moment (about 7th on my list) but maybe soon if we get a bunch of innos but no guilties.
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I’m gonna drop some hot knowledge the moment day begins.
Scum better kill me before I expose them.
Scum better kill me before I expose them.
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Eden's theories are fun but I second that scumteam probably just self-imploded.
Either that or someone is looking to challenge Chaqa's record from last game, and decided to off the rest of their team. Lol
Either that or someone is looking to challenge Chaqa's record from last game, and decided to off the rest of their team. Lol
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Re: MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]
damo666 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:52 pmI can't really remember the names but I do remember Colpitts. Basic, cheap and proper boozer.Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:45 pmReally? Which ones do you remember with fondness? Obviously no pub at the moment due to lockdown, but my "local" is the Angel Inn, and I also tend to spend a bit of time in the Olde Elm Tree, the Head of Steam, and the Colpitts.
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