MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

I think I've narrowed it down to 6 possible scumpairs.

Sharing before EON would provide a chance to scan most informative player.

There’s also something to be said for scanning players who could surprise us.

One other thing I just thought of: the European players may be scum and disadvantage at EOD/EON. Yes I posted my hyposcan at 2 hours to go. But that was 11 PM and they may not have been here to help HB

The problem with this theory is that every living European player bar Jamie (who went to sleep 20 minutes before EoN and therefore it's pretty hard to argue *could not* have helped out), was around at the EoN and the first hour after it.

Ok then. I wasn’t around. And don’t know who the European players are.

[Hellenic Riot]

Sharing before EON would provide a chance to scan most informative player.

There’s also something to be said for scanning players who could surprise us.

One other thing I just thought of: the European players may be scum and disadvantage at EOD/EON. Yes I posted my hyposcan at 2 hours to go. But that was 11 PM and they may not have been here to help HB

The problem with this theory is that every living European player bar Jamie (who went to sleep 20 minutes before EoN and therefore it's pretty hard to argue *could not* have helped out), was around at the EoN and the first hour after it.

Ok then. I wasn’t around. And don’t know who the European players are.

As far as I am aware it's only me, Damo, and Jamie left. Flum is Canadian. I'm not sure about Bona and Celaph but their average posting hours suggest American timezones too. The other Europeans (Maniac & Vecna) are dead.

[BunnyGo]

The problem with this theory is that every living European player bar Jamie (who went to sleep 20 minutes before EoN and therefore it's pretty hard to argue *could not* have helped out), was around at the EoN and the first hour after it.

Ok then. I wasn’t around. And don’t know who the European players are.

As far as I am aware it's only me, Damo, and Jamie left. Flum is Canadian. I'm not sure about Bona and Celaph but their average posting hours suggest American timezones too. The other Europeans (Maniac & Vecna) are dead.

Ah right. Vecna is Dutch. I swear I always confuse him and Flum. Ok. Knowing their nationalities may help keep them separate going forward.

[Bonatogether]

As far as I am aware it's only me, Damo, and Jamie left. Flum is Canadian. I'm not sure about Bona and Celaph but their average posting hours suggest American timezones too. The other Europeans (Maniac & Vecna) are dead.

I'm in Maryland

[BunnyGo]

As far as I am aware it's only me, Damo, and Jamie left. Flum is Canadian. I'm not sure about Bona and Celaph but their average posting hours suggest American timezones too. The other Europeans (Maniac & Vecna) are dead.

I'm in Maryland

Love that state.

[Jamiet99uk]

For the record since this seems to be a topic of discussion, my location is accurate. I live in Durham in the United Kingdom. The phase deadline is occurring at 1am, my time. It's not super convenient for me. The usual phase process time happens at 11pm for me, so Tom has moved it by two hours.

I am however a bit of a night owl. I have missed only one EoN so far, and I've been here for all four EoDs, I think. I was forced to stay up for the most recent one due to Damo's shenanigans. I'm still not sure what Damo thinks all of that achieved.

I think I've drunk in most of the pubs in Durham.

Really? Which ones do you remember with fondness? Obviously no pub at the moment due to lockdown, but my "local" is the Angel Inn, and I also tend to spend a bit of time in the Olde Elm Tree, the Head of Steam, and the Colpitts.

[damo666]

For the record since this seems to be a topic of discussion, my location is accurate. I live in Durham in the United Kingdom. The phase deadline is occurring at 1am, my time. It's not super convenient for me. The usual phase process time happens at 11pm for me, so Tom has moved it by two hours.

I am however a bit of a night owl. I have missed only one EoN so far, and I've been here for all four EoDs, I think. I was forced to stay up for the most recent one due to Damo's shenanigans. I'm still not sure what Damo thinks all of that achieved.

I think I've drunk in most of the pubs in Durham.

Really? Which ones do you remember with fondness? Obviously no pub at the moment due to lockdown, but my "local" is the Angel Inn, and I also tend to spend a bit of time in the Olde Elm Tree, the Head of Steam, and the Colpitts.

I can't really remember the names but I do remember Colpitts. Basic, cheap and proper boozer.

My stepdaughter did Physics at Castle. That's the reason.

[worcej]

You're suggesting in your theory that scum purposefully played badly so that we wouldn't be forced to play well and catch them. Look, this group is not going to do well with Hamilton claiming cop.

N3: they kill rdr. Bunny and Pres say: "damn, scum decided to outguess the doctor and not go for the cop"
N4: they hold the kill. Hamilton claims he was saved. Bunny and Pres say: "damn...nice job doctor!"
N5: they kill
N6: they kill

by now they've gone deep. Yes, Hamilton won't make it to the end, but the scum will get reaction tests to suss out the doctor, the cop, and keep us from getting lots of intel from scum flips.


But your theory is: nah man, it's too straightforward. You gotta go next level! Cut him loose, because town will always get that right. So scum are going to make some weaker psychological bussing plays for less definitive gains.

I think the moment we all collectively decided that a mafia was actually the Cop, we accidentally put that mafia on a timer. How much time varies, but probably 2-3 days, depending on what level we think the Doc & mafia played on, and how deep the mafia was willing to go on propping Brian up as a Cop. Regardless, a timer, and D4 is a realistic window where time would run out--the lower end of that window, but within that window.

Right as the second day rolled over where the mafia made it obvious that they didn't think Brian was the Cop, Brian starts inexplicably flubbing his fake Cop play and flubbing it real bad, to the point where we all realized pretty early in D4 that this guy couldn't be the real Cop, and we had to decide whether we believed that he got himself roped into this thing as VT.

If the mafia know Brian is on a timer and aren't sure exactly when town is going to decide that time is up, it might behoove them to take the initiative and decide what day Brian goes down. That makes the game situation more static and predictable, so it's easier for them to set the narrative they want.


The only other thing that makes sense to me is that they left it in our hands to decide when Brian dies, maybe voted him maybe didn't, but made sure not to tie themselves to him in any way.

I realize those two theories are contradicting, but I'm not sure which one makes more sense yet. I think the first one is what I would have done, out of those two, but I don't know that the mafia would agree.

So, I'd just like to suggest: you're ascribing VERY high level analysis by the mafia team. They'd need to be able to predict this out days, and anticipate the play.

I'm suggestion that most quality mafia teams just sit back and don't screw up and force town to get things right.

I think you should be wary ascribing high level play to the scum team here as opposed to the more obvious choice: The team is AWOL and/or inexperienced. This will lead to a very different hunt than your hypothesis.

Very wise assessment from Bunny here.

[Chaqa]

Maybe the cop is afraid to claim due to the anti-cop attitudes currently

[worcej]

My town is:
Fluminator (Full moon)
Aaro (Half moon)
chaqa (Harvest moon)
Jamie (Fingernail moon)
Eden (shocking Eclipse!!!)
rivera (fading new moon)
damo (tinfoiling he blew up the moon)
worcej (Blood moon)

Null
Vecna
HR
Bozo
Donny
Celaph
emc

Scum
HB
ghug

fucking lol. This probably won't help y'all much, but I know for a fact that he named two townies (myself and rivera) as town, and I currently feel anywhere from moderately to extremely positive about the rest of his town reads. Unless someone's doing a great job slipping under the radar, I'm pretty sure brainbomb listed all townies as town and that the other two mafia are either Bona (who is absent) and one null, or two nulls. He didn't even bother pretending to suspect a townie.

VCA tends to disagree with Bona being scum atm...

[worcej]

Maybe the cop is afraid to claim due to the anti-cop attitudes currently

Lol...

[worcej]

Wild statement... I am growing fond of the idea of flipping Eden.

[damo666]

Wild statement... I am growing fond of the idea of flipping Eden.

Way too many candidates before PE at the moment (about 7th on my list) but maybe soon if we get a bunch of innos but no guilties.

[Chaqa]

I’m gonna drop some hot knowledge the moment day begins.

Scum better kill me before I expose them.

[Jamiet99uk]

I’m gonna drop some hot knowledge the moment day begins.

Scum better kill me before I expose them.

SShh Damo.

[e.m.c^42]

Eden's theories are fun but I second that scumteam probably just self-imploded.

Either that or someone is looking to challenge Chaqa's record from last game, and decided to off the rest of their team. Lol

[Jamiet99uk]

Attention:

I have a very interesting announcement to make.

I will make this announcement at the end of Night 6.

[e.m.c^42]

Pulling a damo should be phrase from now on.

[damo666]

OK OK

[damo666]

I think I've drunk in most of the pubs in Durham.

Really? Which ones do you remember with fondness? Obviously no pub at the moment due to lockdown, but my "local" is the Angel Inn, and I also tend to spend a bit of time in the Olde Elm Tree, the Head of Steam, and the Colpitts.

I can't really remember the names but I do remember Colpitts. Basic, cheap and proper boozer.

My stepdaughter did Physics at Castle. That's the reason.

Don't think I was ain The Angel. Metal venue?

I watched Iceland beat England in the euros in The Market Tavern.