MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Fluminator]

Oh, and @Flum: I’m totally feeling the Nirvana this game.

Excellent! I am too, and boy did I miss it last game.

[President Eden]

I wanted to maximize the number of people on line at End of Day for any info that may be revealed.

I have something more to say at about 3 minutes before EOD

This fuckin guy.

##VOTE Hamilton Brian

Why?

emc is cuter.

[aarodactyl]

Flum is busy being a cult leader

I don't remember using that word here

What are you two talking about?

Flum mentioned some other game he’s in (I think the last night phase). I’m definitely not in it too.

[Fluminator]

I'm spooked you called it a cult, because people are ironically calling it that right now. If you are in the game, I would 100% love an alliance if we aren't already in one.

[aarodactyl]

@bunny here's the final votes

Votes Day 1
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Maniac (9): damo666, aarodactyl, Bonatogether, DemonRHK, Donny Dude, brainbomb, President Eden, e.m.c^42, celaph
ND (6): ghug, Durga, Hamilton Brian, bozotheclown, Maniac, Jamiet99uk
Hellenic Riot (2): rdrivera2005, BunnyGo
Jamiet99uk (1): Vecna
rdrivera2005 (1): Hellenic Riot
President Eden (1): Chaqa

Votes Day 2
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ghug (8): worcej, Jamiet99uk, Chaqa, aarodactyl, Bonatogether, BunnyGo, damo666, Vecna
Bonatogether (7): rdrivera2005, Hellenic Riot, Fluminator, bozotheclown, brainbomb, ghug, President Eden
e.m.c^42 (1): celaph
Jamiet99uk (1): e.m.c^42
bozotheclown (1): Donny Dude
brainbomb (1): Hamilton Brian

Votes Day 3
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brainbomb (15): damo666*, Donny Dude, Bonatogether*, Hellenic Riot*, celaph, aarodactyl*, rdrivera2005*, President Eden*, Chaqa*, Fluminator, bozotheclown, Jamiet99uk, Hamilton Brian, worcej*, e.m.c^42*
Aarodactyl (1): brainbomb*
Fluminator (1): BunnyGo

(I added back in brain's vote for me because the bot messed up and doesn't include him anymore for D3)

Votes Day 4
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Hamilton Brian (10): Hellenic Riot, BunnyGo, worcej, Donny Dude, bozotheclown, damo666, President Eden, e.m.c^42, aarodactyl, Jamiet99uk
e.m.c^42 (5): Chaqa, Fluminator, celaph, Bonatogether, Hamilton Brian

[aarodactyl]

I'm spooked you called it a cult, because people are ironically calling it that right now. If you are in the game, I would 100% love an alliance if we aren't already in one.

I'm pretty sure you said you were the leader of a faction in a 100 person discord game. Sounds like a cult to me. (Also, I promise I'm not in the game. My comment about 100% not being in the game was worded that way to mess with you a little bit)

[Bonatogether]

I am leaning towards option A and a flip of bona next phase.

You've been scumreading me for ages, and, while some things I have done can be considered to be scummy, a look at all the evidence suggests that I am town.

[BunnyGo]

I'm spooked you called it a cult, because people are ironically calling it that right now. If you are in the game, I would 100% love an alliance if we aren't already in one.

He's definitely not. He'd not shade that way.

[President Eden]

Imma solve this later good job team

[BunnyGo]

@aarodactyl thanks. Here are the Day 1 vote positions at the time that known scum voted.

Votes Day 1
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Time: 47:58 remaining Ghug votes

Vecna (2): President Eden, ghug
President Eden (1): Jaimet99uk

Time 46:37 remaining brainbomb votes

Vecna (2): President Eden, ghug
President Eden (1): Jaimet99uk, Maniac, BunnyGo
Chaqa (1): Durga(nator)
celaph (1): Bonatogether
[color = #FF0000]brainbomb[/color] (1): DemonRHK
rdrivera2005 (1): brainbomb

Time 43:10 remaining brainbomb votes

Vecna (2): President Eden, ghug
President Eden (3): Jaimet99uk, Maniac, BunnyGo
Chaqa (1): Durga(nator)
celaph (1): Bonatogether
[color= #FF0000]brainbomb[/color] (1): DemonRHK
ghug (1): Vecna
Hellenic Riot (1): [color = #FF0000]brainbomb[/color]

Time 35:30 remaining Hamilton Brian votes

Vecna (1): ghug
President Eden (2): Maniac, BunnyGo
bozotheclown (2): damo666, Hamilton Brian
Chaqa (1): Durga(nator)
celaph (1): Bonatogether
[color = #FF0000]brainbomb[/color] (1): DemonRHK
ghug (1): Jaimet99uk
Hellenic Riot (1): [color = #FF0000]brainbomb[/color]
Maniac (1): President Eden
Jaimet99uk (1): Vecna

Then quickly President Eden votes [color = #FF0000]brainbomb[/color] and [color = #FF0000]brainbomb[/color] votes President Eden. An hour later [color = #FF0000]brainbomb[/color] votes e.m.c^42


AS A REMINDER, at about this time we were not sure the bot would be remembering early votes...we were being asked to revote for posterity. DO NOT FORGET!!

[BunnyGo]

Ugh...this is tiring and I have a typo in my color for brainbomb

[aarodactyl]

Code: Select all

Vote tracker
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 aar Bon boz bra Bun cel Cha dam Dem Don Dur e.m ghu Ham Hel Jam Man ND. Pre rdr Vec Time |Voter, Move|Vote Count per Vote
 === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === =====|===========|==========================
 --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---[VEC]--- --- Pre --- --- Vec --- --- 47:58|ghu ...>Vec|2-Vec, 1-Pre
 --- cel ---[RDR]Pre --- --- --- bra --- Cha --- Vec --- --- Pre Pre --- Vec --- --- 46:37|bra ...>rdr|3-Pre, 2-Vec, 1-rdr, 1-Cha
 --- cel ---[HEL]Pre --- --- --- bra --- Cha --- Vec --- --- Pre Pre --- Vec --- ghu 43:10|bra rdr>Hel|3-Pre, 2-Vec, 1-Hel, 1-ghu
 --- cel --- Hel Pre --- --- boz bra --- Cha --- Vec[BOZ]--- ghu Pre --- Man --- Jam 35:30|Ham ...>boz|2-boz, 2-Pre, 1-Vec, 1-Hel
 --- cel ---[PRE]Pre --- --- boz bra --- Cha --- Vec boz --- ghu Pre --- bra --- Jam 35:10|bra Hel>Pre|3-Pre, 2-boz, 2-bra, 1-Vec
 --- cel ---[E.M]Pre --- --- boz bra --- Cha --- Vec boz --- ghu Pre --- bra --- Jam 34:19|bra Pre>e.m|2-boz, 2-bra, 2-Pre, 1-Vec
 --- cel --- e.m Pre --- --- boz bra --- Cha ---[CHA]boz --- ghu Pre --- bra ghu Jam 30:41|ghu Vec>Cha|2-boz, 2-ghu, 2-Cha, 2-bra
 Man cel ---[BON]dam --- ghu Man Unv Ham Don --- Cha boz --- Bun Pre --- Bun Don Jam 06:37|bra e.m>Bon|2-Man, 2-Bun, 2-Don, 1-Cha
 Man cel --- Bon dam --- ghu Man Unv Ham Don ---[ND.]boz --- Bun Pre --- Bun Don Jam 05:17|ghu Cha>ND.|2-Man, 2-Bun, 2-Don, 1-ND.
 Man Man ---[MAN]dam ND. ghu Man cel Ham ND. --- ND. boz Jam ND. dam --- Man Don Jam 02:29|bra Bon>Man|5-Man, 4-ND., 2-Jam, 2-dam
 Man Man --- Man dam ND. ghu Man cel Ham ND. --- ND.[ND.]Jam ND. dam --- Man Don Jam 02:25|Ham boz>ND.|5-ND., 5-Man, 2-Jam, 2-dam
 Man Man ND.[HEL]dam ND. Man Man cel Ham ND. Hel ND. ND. Jam ND. dam --- Man Don Jam 01:46|bra Man>Hel|6-ND., 5-Man, 2-Hel, 2-Jam
 Man Man ND.[HEL]dam ND. Man Man cel Ham ND. Hel ND. ND. Jam ND. dam --- Man Don Jam 01:45|bra Hel>Hel|6-ND., 5-Man, 2-Hel, 2-Jam
 Man Man ND.[MAN]Hel ND. Pre Man Man Man ND. Man ND. ND. rdr Pre ND. --- Man Hel Jam 00:14|bra Hel>Man|8-Man, 6-ND., 2-Pre, 2-Hel
 === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === =====|===========|==========================
 aar Bon boz bra Bun cel Cha dam Dem Don Dur e.m ghu Ham Hel Jam Man ND. Pre rdr Vec Time |Voter, Move|Vote Count per Vote
 
 

[BunnyGo]

The spreadsheet is strong with this one.

It's still annoying to put it in the EOD format.

[BunnyGo]

How'd you get it in the code format?

[aarodactyl]

How'd you get it in the code format?

Just quote my post and you’ll see the formatting

If you’re talking about the table, there’s a view as text option in Peter bot.

[Donny Dude]

Taking a look at hb's big reads lists he posted. I don't know how much help they are because he seemed unable to keep up the illusion of a thought process on d4 when it came to people on the list like hr. I think that this may help although I posted it before.
Would scum Hamilton avoid or interact with his scummates?

D2
Tier 1 (would definitely not kill): President Eden, Jamie, myself
Tier 2 (would need a very convincing case to kill): aaro, worcej/durga, RDR
Tier 3 (ambivalent, could kill, could keep alive): bona, bozo, brain, celaph, damo, flum, emc, ghug, HR,
Tier 4 (remove them already): bunny, chaqa, donny, vecna

eon 3
Town
Aaro
Pres eden
Jamie
Chaqa
celaph

Null
Damo
​​Bona
bozo
Hr
Rdr
Bunny

Scum
D​o​nny
Worcej
Emc
Flum

[aarodactyl]

The spreadsheet is strong with this one.

It's still annoying to put it in the EOD format.

Take a line of my table as input and then write some formulas to reformat. Then add a toggle that will let you switch which like it points to.

[BunnyGo]

And, as a matter of a starting point in letting you all know where I stand, there is this:
Reads as of D2. Definitely fluid and not ossified.
Tier 1 (would definitely not kill): President Eden, Jamie, myself
Tier 2 (would need a very convincing case to kill): aaro, worcej/durga, RDR
Tier 3 (ambivalent, could kill, could keep alive): bona, bozo, brain, celaph, damo, flum, emc, ghug, HR,
Tier 4 (remove them already): bunny, chaqa, donny, vecna

Donny, you're a motherfu**ing genius.

OK, here were my thoughts:

"Well, I know for a fact that vecna and I in tier 4 are town"
"I know that President Eden in Tier 1 is town"
"Let's see the middle tiers...hmm aaro, worcej/durga ...wait, what?!

WHY DID HE hyphen worcej and durga?! He also has Flum listed in Tier 3.

I think this townclears worcej. It possibly clears Flum too.

[BunnyGo]

The spreadsheet is strong with this one.

It's still annoying to put it in the EOD format.

Take a line of my table as input and then write some formulas to reformat. Then add a toggle that will let you switch which like it points to.

I only have excel on my work machine. And the spreadsheet is not strong with me. And I'm not so good at formatting with python.

[President Eden]

I've had a bit of a rethink about Brian.

I think Brian and his teammates understood what was going on from the moment that we all started yelling SHHHHHHHHHH at EOD2. That put Brian on a clock, since he couldn't be nightkilled. There wasn't any real point to playing like a VT because if he doesn't bait the nightkill, it's pretty clear that he's not Cop OR VT.

More precisely, D4 was the day where we would have started to reconsider Brian, because it's the day in which he "should" have died if the Doctor and the mafia make the level 1 optimal plays (mafia shoots N2 into a Doc save then shoots N3 for the actual kill). It's debatable as to whether D4 or D5 was the day, because the Doc might have tried to level the mafia by not saving Brian N2. But by D4 at least, and certainly by D5, Brian would be outed as mafia.

I think the mafia had to have known that, and the optimal thing to do is to bus Brian hard starting on D4, and to have Brian flub it at EON3 or beginning of D4 and get himself killed D4. If the day can be dominated by Brian being put on the outs, then we don't do a lot of other solving until he flips, so D4 gets "wasted" relative to its potential (if we had all collectively realized this, killed Brian, and talked about other things). If Brian's teammates are gunning for Brian all day on D4, they look good for busing him.

The only other thing that makes sense is that the mafia realizes the above, but doesn't value the town credit from busing Brian: maybe it's unnecessary because they're already town, or maybe they're worried about the risk of being caught if we figure out the above logic, and would prefer no association whatsoever.

I don't think emc's alignment actually matters for figuring out D4. If emc is the other mafia, then the mafia were already trying to make today about Brian, as it's better to sacrifice Brian (who is already on a timer) than emc (who isn't). If emc is town, then maybe they would hope for emc to be killed narrowly and then drive the bus right over Brian's poor face on D5, loudly castigating people who were preferring emc along the way.

I haven't worked out who this implicates yet, I've been multitasking on this for the past hour or so. I'll figure out who is implicated later on. But I wanted to share this theory first and get it out there for people.