MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

4 of the last 7 votes moved to HB.

Try again...

Last 7 votes are:
damo voting hr
celaph voting emc
me voting hr
Donny voting emc
Donny voting hb (1)
bozo voting hb (2)
me voting emc

Ah yes...the dangers of seeing -->H on the vote.

their names are too similar

[BunnyGo]

Emc's wagon has been gaining strength for hours while Hb's wagon has been hovering around 5 for ages

Ok...this may be factually true. I'm still not sure I've ever heard a worse argument for not voting for somebody.

[BunnyGo]

Last 7 votes are:
damo voting hr
celaph voting emc
me voting hr
Donny voting emc
Donny voting hb (1)
bozo voting hb (2)
me voting emc

Ah yes...the dangers of seeing -->H on the vote.

their names are too similar

Good thing no other players share a first letter.

[Bonatogether]

Ah yes...the dangers of seeing -->H on the vote.

their names are too similar

Good thing no other players share a first letter.

yeah, definitely

[worcej]

What's the case against Hellenic Riot exactly?

Hamilton believes I'm scum for calling him out as cop. He then completely ignored my post where I asked him to expand and tell me what my scum motivations for that were.

TBF, HB has avoided a lot of direct contact

[worcej]

Worcej? You just lost me...

Think about it a bit more.

Actually, I'm not you, so I'll be explicit.

It seems like you're presenting an argument that HB is scum. Part of this argument seems to be based on HB trying to pull votes off ghug near EOD2. You quoted a piece showing HB doing the same thing to pull people off of ND EOD1. That would suggest worcej is scum.

Assuming HB is scum like I think he is, all I can hope for is a cop claim with my inno scan as a report.

The tie to HB and ghug would be worth flipping me for you guys.

[worcej]

To be clear, I don't think it's a great argument for worcej being scum, but it's way better than scum!ND subs and town!ND doesn't.

Agreed

[worcej]

I still prefer a closer vote than a blowout one, and since the next largest wagon is a vt, this will have to suffice.

This logic is also weird - why do you like close votes so much?

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close votes are obviously better

For scum, yes - close votes and erratic movement at EOD can cause confusion in town.

[worcej]

Think about it a bit more.

Actually, I'm not you, so I'll be explicit.

It seems like you're presenting an argument that HB is scum. Part of this argument seems to be based on HB trying to pull votes off ghug near EOD2. You quoted a piece showing HB doing the same thing to pull people off of ND EOD1. That would suggest worcej is scum.

this is literally my argument for my worcej and hb are scum

Flip HB and then consider flipping me afterwards?

[Bonatogether]

This logic is also weird - why do you like close votes so much?

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close votes are obviously better

For scum, yes - close votes and erratic movement at EOD can cause confusion in town.

and for town too, since they provide important VCA for later

[Bonatogether]

Actually, I'm not you, so I'll be explicit.

It seems like you're presenting an argument that HB is scum. Part of this argument seems to be based on HB trying to pull votes off ghug near EOD2. You quoted a piece showing HB doing the same thing to pull people off of ND EOD1. That would suggest worcej is scum.

this is literally my argument for my worcej and hb are scum

Flip HB and then consider flipping me afterwards?

maybe

[worcej]

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close votes are obviously better

For scum, yes - close votes and erratic movement at EOD can cause confusion in town.

and for town too, since they provide important VCA for later

Incorrect, you can VCA any day phase. Having good consensus as town is much more critical as the game goes along

[Bonatogether]

For scum, yes - close votes and erratic movement at EOD can cause confusion in town.

and for town too, since they provide important VCA for later

Incorrect, you can VCA any day phase. Having good consensus as town is much more critical as the game goes along

but in this phase of the game there aint a consensus and we can still learn a lot from vca

[worcej]

and for town too, since they provide important VCA for later

Incorrect, you can VCA any day phase. Having good consensus as town is much more critical as the game goes along

but in this phase of the game there aint a consensus and we can still learn a lot from vca

No, but that doesn’t mean we won’t be as the phase gets closer to ending.

In general, you are not taking the time to listen to what people are saying and are being overly negative toward people having cases and reasoning to flip HB, yet you also say you scum him.

[worcej]

And you, Bona, continue to make weird statements that do not make much factual sense.

HB claiming VT is the best play to make as scum that is trying to live. Forcing a CC against PRs is a bad trade because they are down to 3 scum and would drop down to 2.

[Bonatogether]

Incorrect, you can VCA any day phase. Having good consensus as town is much more critical as the game goes along

but in this phase of the game there aint a consensus and we can still learn a lot from vca

No, but that doesn’t mean we won’t be as the phase gets closer to ending.

In general, you are not taking the time to listen to what people are saying and are being overly negative toward people having cases and reasoning to flip HB, yet you also say you scum him.

When have I gone after someone's argument against HB?

[celaph]

post 3728 on page 187

If you have this information, then presumably you can see the original post relatively easily. In that case it would be greatly appreciated if you linked the post in question to save everyone else time finding it. Thanks for the future.

[celaph]

To clarify, I'm fine with the EMC vote, but I guess celaph doesn't agree with me or flum

I beg your pardon. They were just the two that I saw at time of posting and I was too lazy to go find anyone else who agreed.

It’s all good. I’m just giving you a hard time. But also there’s a bot

Side note: this is the one thing I hate about my posting style, I don't have a great way to weave in lighter more jokey comments without them coming out as forced or serious. I know you were just giving me a hard time and I'm totally cool with it, I'm just bad at writing light comments myself. Perhaps I'll try using emoji in the future.

[celaph]

No one besides me noticed it or really commented it once I pointed it out. Bona said that they thought cop should declare at EON a while back and said that even if they saw no scum, 3 innos is good because that means we know that at most 1 out of that 3 is scum. (this was back before we had brain voted out.) At that point, there were only 2 completed night phases.

I looked at the post and it's 3 flips, not 3 scans.

This is the post I'm talking about.

(also thank you for celaph for inspiring my use of links this game)

My posting style is being adopted.

[celaph]

I very quickly went through bona's iso and looked for the word tie like in regards to tying votes and I did not see him use that as justification, however that is not conclusive, but the posts I saw did seem different from this game.

I think that there are notable differences between Bona's posting this game and last and there have certainly been Bona posts that have made me pause, but I'm not convinced it's alignment indicative. I'll have to give it more thought. That said, I think that looking for evidence of him tying votes is a misleading place to start as I mentioned earlier (see below).

I have not played with Bona before but anyone who has, is it typical for bona to move wagons into tying positions like now or on d1 where he did it with myself and maniac?

Early last game he didn't at all. That said, D5 last game ghug made D5 artificially closer than it should have been and it proved very useful prompting probably my towniest post that game. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Bona picked the idea up from there and is applying it here.