MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

So is the most town thing I can do is just declare right now? I’d like to see concensus before jumping it out there.

claim

[Hamilton Brian]

I’m just not a fan of this bully pulpit business.

[worcej]

3) Why do you tink you were not NK'd last night?

I've presumably been outed, but there's no claim. Scum probably doubt I am the cop. Until I hardclaim or VT then I am under suspicion. Offers scum to kill VT last night. Puts me up as a confirmed miskill today. That's 3 mafia is good for before anyone even gets a hit on them. So that then puts our numbers at...12 town to 3 mafia. Is that a good ratio for town? I don't know if it is or isn't.

Is it not better to maintain the veil of who is/isn't cop? The longer it's unknown, the cop is still protected, right?

There's an actor here who hasn't generated a lot of buzz when they claimed I was the cop. What motivated that suggestion?

You're most likely not the cop based on your reads list you made @ EON.

You're most likely scum because I do not see a scum team that would just leave you around for us to 'waste' a DK on a cop.

[aarodactyl]

I’m just not a fan of this bully pulpit business.

Yeah. I don’t really enjoy all the pressure because then people act weird anyways because of it.

I think people would like it if you say you’re either cop or VT

[BunnyGo]

I’m just not a fan of this bully pulpit business.

Im not either. But go back and look at all the posts you made shading that you were cop.

Like I said before, I’m most interested in an explanation of EOD2

[worcej]

Unless the cop has beem remarably unlucky or incompetent they must have some decent info to share.

Bozotype survey - Is it time for the cop to hardclaim and reveal? YES or NO.

I'll kick off with a YES. Doc can probably save tonight so we're very likely to fet a further scan.

Cop Survey

YES 1
NO 0

14 votes outstanding

No, because most likely they are hidden. EON4 is a possibility to dump the 3 nights of info with a potential 4th coming in.

[worcej]

Question: if hamilton is scum, why not vote Bona?

Because resolving Hamilton is more important in my eyes.

[worcej]

Question: if hamilton is scum, why not vote Bona?

What? How does the second part of the question relate to the first part?

Sorry...timing issue:

If hamilton is scum, why did he not vote Bona in the last 30 seconds?

Ah, better sense making.

I believe because he wanted to avoid VCA screwing him down the road.

[aarodactyl]

Question: if hamilton is scum, why not vote Bona?

Because resolving Hamilton is more important in my eyes.

You'll probably see this while catching up, but Jamie got Bunny to clarify what he meant and it was "Why doesn't scum!HB vote Bona D2?"

[worcej]

Where is Worcej?

Has he fallen down a well?

Sure.

[worcej]

Sorry.. still adjusting
DEADLINE MOVED ONE MINUTE LATER

Talk about a fine adjustment...

[worcej]

Seems like I've got to pull some of you voters off of me. I'm inclined to vote EMC with the some of you, and that may be where I land. However, for now I'd like to offer ##Vote Hellenic

I'll offer a case when I have a chance to sit down for a few minutes.

You know what comes off incredibly scummy: saying "Seems like I've got to pull some of you voters off of me" when people are asking you to simply explain yourself.

You're using a lot of conjecture to defend yourself and asking questions to us without actually being specific.

[worcej]

Claiming your actual role would help pull my vote off of you FWIW.

Let's just say that I am town; let's leave it there. Stop trying to force a claim.

Pretty audacious of you to let us all believe you were Cop for 3 days, not play along with scans and whatnot to draw an NK, and then get prissy with us when we expect you to come clean.

+1

[worcej]

Pretty audacious of you to let us all believe you were Cop for 3 days, not play along with scans and whatnot to draw an NK, and then get prissy with us when we expect you to come clean.

You're making me question my townread of you. I really don't want to do that.

If I were mafia and you weren't also mafia, you'd have been shot already, and I would have zero interest in your role.

This is also my expectation. If I was scum, I would've push your NK on N2 and N3 for sure based off how you voted.

As I've said numerous times already, I am pretty sure you're scum.

[worcej]

Let's see.

##VOTE worcej

##vote worcej

What is going on here?

Bozo tunneling still. Bona apparently having a read on my slot tied to HR.

[worcej]

You're making me question my townread of you. I really don't want to do that.

If I were mafia and you weren't also mafia, you'd have been shot already, and I would have zero interest in your role.

This is also my expectation. If I was scum, I would've push your NK on N2 and N3 for sure based off how you voted.

As I've said numerous times already, I am pretty sure you're scum.

This was meant to be @ HB, fwiw.

[worcej]

##vote worcej

What is going on here?

we're starting a worcej wagon

Go for it.

[aarodactyl]

You're making me question my townread of you. I really don't want to do that.

If I were mafia and you weren't also mafia, you'd have been shot already, and I would have zero interest in your role.

This is also my expectation. If I was scum, I would've push your NK on N2 and N3 for sure based off how you voted.

As I've said numerous times already, I am pretty sure you're scum.

Does anyone come across as bussing HB? Or are scum just trying to go under the radar today?

The reason I'm asking is that is that I think the EMC wagon is all town.

[worcej]

same

His answer to #3 assume that the scum team would willingly take the risk that he isn't the cop and allow for another scan.

Do you two honestly buy that? If you were scum, you'd willingly take that risk?

well I've never seen the case for him to be cop anyways, so I wouldn't have killed him.

TBF, I am with Bunny and think you're not paying good attention to the game.

[celaph]

Regarding HR:

Vote against RDR (have they voted for scum at all at the end of a day?) on Day 1 (clear town). Case against RDR was lazy play (I’m paraphrasing) and that RDR had one scumread (which was ghug). Bonatogether D2. Brainbomb on D3. Also voted to end.

Night 1 reads: Ghug (definitely scum)fairly town. Suggests a stronger scumread on Bona which may have played into the competing Ghug wagon on D2. That later seemed to be contradicted when the conversation was focusing on the competing wagons after EOD2. Offered me as slight scumread. Emphatic that RDR (clear town) was scum.

Day 2: ↑rdrivera2005: "Well, I am pretty sure you are scum and this is exactly your scum meta. You lying to build a case on me is exactly what ..."
After D2 vote, comes out with the “HB must be the cop, doctor must save him…” I’d say that was begins the whole swirling claim about the cop and scans. Why would HR emphasize if not to start some outing?

That's just over the D1 to EOD2.

Certainly had the opposite reads going as far as Ghug and RDR were concerned. That alone wouldn't implicate HR, since we've all had incorrect reads.

I don't think your D2 description is a fair portrayal of HR. Jamie was the first person to call attention to your vote, though he did it in a manner suggesting he was suspicious of you. PE immediately shhhhh'd Jamie in the first sign that someone thought your vote was a PR slip. Vecna drew attention to you and while not mentioning your late vote in particular I'm not sure what else he could be talking about. Vecna later became the first person to say that the cop outed themselves and later added by saying he wasn't referring to BB. Bunny immediately shhhhh'd Vecna in a sign that he thought it was a PR slip. All that before HR mentioned it all openly.

Before HR, 4 people drew attention to your EoD2 vote including 3 whose reactions indicate they thought you were PR slipping. I think it's exceptionally unlikely that scum was unaware of your actions before HR's post.