MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

Tad surprised at that NK.

Speak HamB, why the brain vote?

Anybody yet spot the differences between HBs list and previous reads. On phone and find it too difficult.

@Bunny anything to say?

Why is the NK surprising to you?

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh hello Worcej, thank you for joining us.

Where have you been, putting BunnyGo's dog to bed?

[worcej]

To add on, my brain is telling me that this could have been an attempt to out the cop by a scum hb.

I'm starting to think that Vecna's gut react that HB was trying to tie the wagons is right, and that we just read something else into it because of course we did, mafia would never be so blatant.

##vote hb

if hb is scum then worcej is scum

How does this connection exist?

[worcej]

Oh hello Worcej, thank you for joining us.

Where have you been, putting BunnyGo's dog to bed?

Recovering, watching children, working from home as best as possible.

I was insanely tired last night and just kinda chilled out and watched WWII-In-Color on my couch. Great watch if you're a history buff btw.

[worcej]

I think the greatest argument against me being scum is that there doesn't exist a world where I'd agree to Vecna NK, especially when he's townreading me lol

This defense is irrelevant.

You could literally have done this as scum and still had Vecna NK'ed because your team didn't agree with you.

[Bonatogether]

I'm starting to think that Vecna's gut react that HB was trying to tie the wagons is right, and that we just read something else into it because of course we did, mafia would never be so blatant.

##vote hb

if hb is scum then worcej is scum

How does this connection exist?

I've gone over this repeatedly, including earlier today.

[worcej]

Ugh. Did I mess the scanclaims? Was it just rdr (I went back and found it when you just referenced it) and bunny?

Yuuuuup. Youse guys s**k at keeping scum from knowing things. I’d expect this from damo (with all his PR hunting scummery). But I expected *somebody* to understand how to keep the scum from knowing who the cop is.

Hypocopping helps scum to know things, it doesn't stop them knowing shit. Every hypocop who gives an impossible report is quite clearly not the cop, and others who make up reports that don't tally with what they were thinking at the time they claim to have made the investigation aren't that helpful either.

Yeah, I was really shocked to see that people were doing hypo claims... it can only really help the scum narrow the pool down on the cop.

[BunnyGo]

Claiming your actual role would help pull my vote off of you FWIW.

Let's just say that I am town; let's leave it there. Stop trying to force a claim.

Bruh

The only reason that statement is appropriate is if he’s the doctor. And even then he should claim VT.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hamilton Brian's responses today actually started off ok in my book, but he hasn't totally explained himself, and then his attempt to start a wagon on Hellenic Riot looks weird.

Hmm.

[worcej]

Ok I'm caught up.

Hamilton Brian should come in here and tell us his thoughts, and so should Worcej.

Until we hear from those people I'm pretty happy with my vote on EMC.

Since you specifically asked...

I believe HB is not the cop and is most likely scum. I think this because of the following:

1. Based on the narrative of the game, the scum team should've probably been lasered onto HB's brain vote.
2. HB's information dumb @ EON was bad and if he actually is the cop, that dump would've done nothing to help town.
3. Continuing off last one, he 'wasted' a PR role in a prior game and felt bad for it. My gut says he would never do that again.

Otherwise, I am skeptical of EMC's performance and scum him a decent bit. A lot of sound and not much opinion/sharing of thoughts like I'd expect. He also has a vibe that his attention is drawn elsewhere, saying he is working on other stuff but could also possibly be due to him actually being scum this game.

Another thing - I think bozo is town, however he is still on a MAJOR tunnel of my slot that doesn't seem normal.

##vote Hamilton Brian

[worcej]

But granted,

Do you expect us to believe that you're such a forceful voice in the Scum QT that you'd over-rule your scum team-mates and veto the kill on Vecna even if they strongly wanted to cut him down? And that they'd listen to you?

I can't buy that.

I'd probably threaten to throw the game in this case, hah. Been in interesting mood recent days.

And if you did actually do this and I was scum, I would push for you to be removed from the game and punished for threatening to game throw to get your way.

So, FWIW, I don't believe you'd do this.

[worcej]

What do you need explained?

i) your vote on bb D2
ii) if you are cop why did you not reveal scans?

1) Vote on BB; simply trusting the instincts of Pres Eden who I've townread all game. There certainly was a decision made on his cop claim, and I followed it.

2) Calling me cop was initiated by HR. I've never admitted it or denied it.

Correct, but the thread and much of the game has assumed you're the cop based on this. Based on results and your actions, it's obvious you're not the cop.

[worcej]

The fact that there was a NK and you are alive strongly suggests you are scum.

That's convenient for you to believe. Is it possible that scum are reading the same things others like Chaqa and Aaro have alluded to and decided against me? There's someone more obvious, and it certainly wasn't RDR, throughout the night and I am frankly surprised they weren't the NK target.

Explain why scum would even take the risk of letting you stick around with the assumption that you're cop.

A cop scan is the most threatening action to scum right now. The longer the game goes on without handling the cop, the likelihood of scum winning goes down a lot.

[worcej]

1) PE voted brain before brains' claim and switched to Bona after it. You voted brain after his claim.

2) If you are cop why not reveal scans, if not cop why didn't you fake scans. you must know people thought you were cop.

3) Why do you tink you were not NK'd last night?

1) True but there was significant stalling of the bot on my end; trying to watch that and get the vote in.

2) I've never had a PR before, except one game where I was Neighbour. It's pretty new to me.

3) Maybe scum aren't as convinced I am cop as town are convinced I am cop. Does that sentence make sense? I can't quite tell.

Again - explain 3 better. It doesn't make sense.

[Jamiet99uk]

1) PE voted brain before brains' claim and switched to Bona after it. You voted brain after his claim.

2) If you are cop why not reveal scans, if not cop why didn't you fake scans. you must know people thought you were cop.

3) Why do you tink you were not NK'd last night?

1) True but there was significant stalling of the bot on my end; trying to watch that and get the vote in.

2) I've never had a PR before, except one game where I was Neighbour. It's pretty new to me.

3) Maybe scum aren't as convinced I am cop as town are convinced I am cop. Does that sentence make sense? I can't quite tell.

Again - explain 3 better. It doesn't make sense.

His answer to #3 makes sense to me.

[Bonatogether]

1) True but there was significant stalling of the bot on my end; trying to watch that and get the vote in.

2) I've never had a PR before, except one game where I was Neighbour. It's pretty new to me.

3) Maybe scum aren't as convinced I am cop as town are convinced I am cop. Does that sentence make sense? I can't quite tell.

Again - explain 3 better. It doesn't make sense.

His answer to #3 makes sense to me.

same

[worcej]

@BunnyGo:

Since you are here and not carrying your children up a mountain or putting your wife to bed, here's something I'd like you to do:

Tell us why we should daykill Fluminator today? Please be as detailed as you like.

Yeah...I'll get there. At the moment he's dropped down the list.

Want to reread HB and Bona first. Maybe EMC too.

But as a first pass: Durga's interactions with ghug, the game, and dropping. I got a narrative in my head that the team was:

ghug-durga-ND ---> ghug-durga-worcej. And she quit.

Okay, but let's be really clear about something: I entered the game on N1 and would've had plenty of time to privately discuss a gameplan with them and been able to broke a 'truce' between us three.

And the best part is I would've loved to use some fake drama, that didn't cross a line, between Durga and myself to create distractions and annoy people from the game. That would've been the easy path to victory.

[worcej]

Again - explain 3 better. It doesn't make sense.

His answer to #3 makes sense to me.

same

His answer to #3 assume that the scum team would willingly take the risk that he isn't the cop and allow for another scan.

Do you two honestly buy that? If you were scum, you'd willingly take that risk?

[Bonatogether]

His answer to #3 makes sense to me.

same

His answer to #3 assume that the scum team would willingly take the risk that he isn't the cop and allow for another scan.

Do you two honestly buy that? If you were scum, you'd willingly take that risk?

well I've never seen the case for him to be cop anyways, so I wouldn't have killed him.

[Hamilton Brian]

So is the most town thing I can do is just declare right now? I’d like to see concensus before jumping it out there.