MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[aarodactyl]

Have a 4 person wagon with no scum on it seems pretty strange to me. I'm not sure what to make of it though

We're 30 hours out from EoD. Wagon Analysis is pretty garbage at this point in time. It's very easy for scum to pressure a teammate early in a phase but then be nowhere near voting them come the end of it.

For an example of this, I provide uno brainbombo.

I think that's actually classic for scum. I'm not leaving the EMC wagon, but the fact there are no scum on it, makes me think HB is scummy. However, I get this is completely WIFOM

Eh, I'm probably not leaving the EMC wagon. But 30 hours is a lot of time.

[celaph]

Of course that isn't the greatest argument lol, especially after we've been ragging on NK analysis as being trash.

The fact that we were raging on NK analysis being trash is why I was so concerned that this was you're strongest reason. It also makes me really happy to hear that you have stronger reasons for being town. Please explain them.

[Hellenic Riot]

Oh, I was assuming that your vote was right and you meant to write HR instead of Worcej.

I dislike this argument as a whole though. You identify splitting the vote in SvT scenarios as something mafia may do and then are trying to justify a kill based on fitting that narrative to the situation. For one, the vote for HR was notably earlier in the day. Secondly, only one person ever moved from ND to HR, it was Jamie who later moved back to ND. Thirdly, if you would really want to confirm your suspicion, you would flip Worcej. You seem to be discounting the likelihood of other situations where one is scum and the other town to fit your story.

I did want to flip worcej but then that didnt seem to be a wagon today, and this is the other half of that link, so eh.

It... Is?

I thought your 'link' was that worcej and I had to both be scum if one of us is. How on earth does flipping Hamilton Brian provide the other half of this. Unless you mean BunnyGo, who you're actually voting, which also doesn't explain this factoring into your apparent link in the slightest.

[bozotheclown]

Oh, I was assuming that your vote was right and you meant to write HR instead of Worcej.

I dislike this argument as a whole though. You identify splitting the vote in SvT scenarios as something mafia may do and then are trying to justify a kill based on fitting that narrative to the situation. For one, the vote for HR was notably earlier in the day. Secondly, only one person ever moved from ND to HR, it was Jamie who later moved back to ND. Thirdly, if you would really want to confirm your suspicion, you would flip Worcej. You seem to be discounting the likelihood of other situations where one is scum and the other town to fit your story.

I did want to flip worcej but then that didnt seem to be a wagon today, and this is the other half of that link, so eh.

To be honest, I'm not really this that carefully. However, we have 30 hours left in the day, why can't worcej be a valid wagon?

Let's see.

##VOTE worcej

[celaph]

I was just thinking this. Do you think all the scum is a non-vote?

Are you talking about those who are not voting right now?

Yes. To clarify, that list is "bozotheclown, celaph, Hamilton Brian, worcej". I think the chance that all three scum are in this list is very small. However, it's also the list of people that haven't made a strong case of HB (as far as I can tell. and yes, I include HB in that list)

You can debate whether or not it is a "strong" case, but I have commented on the HB situation.

[Hellenic Riot]

Man I'm getting really torn between the fact that the chances of us ever being competent enough to have three competing scum wagons on D2 is so infinitesimally small judging by webDip's track record that it's basically impossible to believe, and the fact that almost everything Bona posts make me want to go back to scumreading him

[celaph]

Oh, I was assuming that your vote was right and you meant to write HR instead of Worcej.

I dislike this argument as a whole though. You identify splitting the vote in SvT scenarios as something mafia may do and then are trying to justify a kill based on fitting that narrative to the situation. For one, the vote for HR was notably earlier in the day. Secondly, only one person ever moved from ND to HR, it was Jamie who later moved back to ND. Thirdly, if you would really want to confirm your suspicion, you would flip Worcej. You seem to be discounting the likelihood of other situations where one is scum and the other town to fit your story.

I did want to flip worcej but then that didnt seem to be a wagon today, and this is the other half of that link, so eh.

It... Is?

I thought your 'link' was that worcej and I had to both be scum if one of us is. How on earth does flipping Hamilton Brian provide the other half of this. Unless you mean BunnyGo, who you're actually voting, which also doesn't explain this factoring into your apparent link in the slightest.

After his explanation, I think his correction meant to clarify that he was saying you (HR) instead of HB, not instead of Worcej.

[Hellenic Riot]

I did want to flip worcej but then that didnt seem to be a wagon today, and this is the other half of that link, so eh.

It... Is?

I thought your 'link' was that worcej and I had to both be scum if one of us is. How on earth does flipping Hamilton Brian provide the other half of this. Unless you mean BunnyGo, who you're actually voting, which also doesn't explain this factoring into your apparent link in the slightest.

After his explanation, I think his correction meant to clarify that he was saying you (HR) instead of HB, not instead of Worcej.

I understand that. I don't understand how anything that is happening today provides information on the "other half" of that link - IE me.

[aarodactyl]

Are you talking about those who are not voting right now?

Yes. To clarify, that list is "bozotheclown, celaph, Hamilton Brian, worcej". I think the chance that all three scum are in this list is very small. However, it's also the list of people that haven't made a strong case of HB (as far as I can tell. and yes, I include HB in that list)

You can debate whether or not it is a "strong" case, but I have commented on the HB situation.

my mistake. I mostly wanted to coax all of the non-voters out of the woodwork

[BunnyGo]

Man I'm getting really torn between the fact that the chances of us ever being competent enough to have three competing scum wagons on D2 is so infinitesimally small judging by webDip's track record that it's basically impossible to believe, and the fact that almost everything Bona posts make me want to go back to scumreading him

The Bunny Burrow Tunnel has space for all

[Bonatogether]

Oh, I was assuming that your vote was right and you meant to write HR instead of Worcej.

I dislike this argument as a whole though. You identify splitting the vote in SvT scenarios as something mafia may do and then are trying to justify a kill based on fitting that narrative to the situation. For one, the vote for HR was notably earlier in the day. Secondly, only one person ever moved from ND to HR, it was Jamie who later moved back to ND. Thirdly, if you would really want to confirm your suspicion, you would flip Worcej. You seem to be discounting the likelihood of other situations where one is scum and the other town to fit your story.

I did want to flip worcej but then that didnt seem to be a wagon today, and this is the other half of that link, so eh.

To be honest, I'm not really this that carefully. However, we have 30 hours left in the day, why can't worcej be a valid wagon?

there doesn't seem to be enough support for it today, and I figure that it'll be easier tomorrow or the day after.

[Bonatogether]

I did want to flip worcej but then that didnt seem to be a wagon today, and this is the other half of that link, so eh.

To be honest, I'm not really this that carefully. However, we have 30 hours left in the day, why can't worcej be a valid wagon?

Let's see.

##VOTE worcej

##vote worcej

[damo666]

Madness.

[dargorygel]

Sorry.. still adjusting
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[BunnyGo]

Sorry.. still adjusting
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[Hamilton Brian]

Seems like I've got to pull some of you voters off of me. I'm inclined to vote EMC with the some of you, and that may be where I land. However, for now I'd like to offer ##Vote Hellenic

I'll offer a case when I have a chance to sit down for a few minutes.

[President Eden]

Seems like I've got to pull some of you voters off of me. I'm inclined to vote EMC with the some of you, and that may be where I land. However, for now I'd like to offer ##Vote Hellenic

I'll offer a case when I have a chance to sit down for a few minutes.

Claiming your actual role would help pull my vote off of you FWIW.

[damo666]

Seems like I've got to pull some of you voters off of me. I'm inclined to vote EMC with the some of you, and that may be where I land. However, for now I'd like to offer ##Vote Hellenic

I'll offer a case when I have a chance to sit down for a few minutes.

Claiming your actual role would help pull my vote off of you FWIW.

If he truly claims his role and you move off him that could look mighty scummy lol.

[Hamilton Brian]

Regarding HR:

Vote against RDR (have they voted for scum at all at the end of a day?) on Day 1 (clear town). Case against RDR was lazy play (I’m paraphrasing) and that RDR had one scumread (which was ghug). Bonatogether D2. Brainbomb on D3. Also voted to end.

Night 1 reads: Ghug (definitely scum)fairly town. Suggests a stronger scumread on Bona which may have played into the competing Ghug wagon on D2. That later seemed to be contradicted when the conversation was focusing on the competing wagons after EOD2. Offered me as slight scumread. Emphatic that RDR (clear town) was scum.

Day 2: ↑rdrivera2005: "Well, I am pretty sure you are scum and this is exactly your scum meta. You lying to build a case on me is exactly what ..."
After D2 vote, comes out with the “HB must be the cop, doctor must save him…” I’d say that was begins the whole swirling claim about the cop and scans. Why would HR emphasize if not to start some outing?

That's just over the D1 to EOD2.

Certainly had the opposite reads going as far as Ghug and RDR were concerned. That alone wouldn't implicate HR, since we've all had incorrect reads.

[Hamilton Brian]

Seems like I've got to pull some of you voters off of me. I'm inclined to vote EMC with the some of you, and that may be where I land. However, for now I'd like to offer ##Vote Hellenic

I'll offer a case when I have a chance to sit down for a few minutes.

Claiming your actual role would help pull my vote off of you FWIW.

Let's just say that I am town; let's leave it there. Stop trying to force a claim.