MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[aarodactyl]

@BunnyGo:

Since you are here and not carrying your children up a mountain or putting your wife to bed, here's something I'd like you to do:

Tell us why we should daykill Fluminator today? Please be as detailed as you like.

Yeah...I'll get there. At the moment he's dropped down the list.

Want to reread HB and Bona first. Maybe EMC too.

But as a first pass: Durga's interactions with ghug, the game, and dropping. I got a narrative in my head that the team was:

ghug-durga-ND ---> ghug-durga-worcej. And she quit.

I still have no idea why people think Durga being scum with Worcej is likely. Everyone is so enamored with the idea because it would be funny, but there's really nothing backing that up.

I agree. It feels like it's getting pushed so scum get an easy miskill

[BunnyGo]

Question: if hamilton is scum, why not vote Bona?

[damo666]

Are you talking about those who are not voting right now?

Yes. To clarify, that list is "bozotheclown, celaph, Hamilton Brian, worcej". I think the chance that all three scum are in this list is very small. However, it's also the list of people that haven't made a strong case of HB (as far as I can tell. and yes, I include HB in that list)

If Hamilton is scum, which is looking likely, his teammates are probably already voting for him.

HR and EMC?

[Jamiet99uk]

Question: if hamilton is scum, why not vote Bona?

What? How does the second part of the question relate to the first part?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Damo: My response to your survey is that the Cop should decide this for themselves and I do not like your survey.

You may record that in the "No" column if you wish.

[Hellenic Riot]

Unless the cop has beem remarably unlucky or incompetent they must have some decent info to share.

Bozotype survey - Is it time for the cop to hardclaim and reveal? YES or NO.

I'll kick off with a YES. Doc can probably save tonight so we're very likely to fet a further scan.

Cop Survey

YES 1
NO 0

14 votes outstanding

Why on earth would the cop claim right now when we have a myriad of stuff to dig into (Bona vs Bunny, and HB being weird as fuck).

[BunnyGo]

Question: if hamilton is scum, why not vote Bona?

What? How does the second part of the question relate to the first part?

Sorry...timing issue:

If hamilton is scum, why did he not vote Bona in the last 30 seconds?

[BunnyGo]

Question: if hamilton is scum, why not vote Bona?

What? How does the second part of the question relate to the first part?

Sorry...timing issue:

If hamilton is scum, why did he not vote Bona in the last 30 seconds?

of EOD2.

To elaborate: by moving to brain from ghug, his best case was a tie. Why not move to Bona and help his cause. EVEN WITH THE BOT DOWN this should have been obvious.

[bozotheclown]

Go look at previous votes. How many end in 3 way plurality slides when there is lots of movement?

It doesn't happen almost ever.

And why push a valuable scum? I think you're now a sleeper. Whoever flipped day 2, the others could say "look, I'm the counter wagon...I'm clear!! Town would never have had that many scum on the block!!"

In this scenario, why would brainbomb fake claim cop?

Have you played this game with Brainbomb before?

I know brainbomb used to fake claim a lot as town, but I think he usually had a reason when he was scum.

[President Eden]

Unless the cop has beem remarably unlucky or incompetent they must have some decent info to share.

Bozotype survey - Is it time for the cop to hardclaim and reveal? YES or NO.

I'll kick off with a YES. Doc can probably save tonight so we're very likely to fet a further scan.

Cop Survey

YES 1
NO 0

14 votes outstanding

YES

[damo666]

Unless the cop has beem remarably unlucky or incompetent they must have some decent info to share.

Bozotype survey - Is it time for the cop to hardclaim and reveal? YES or NO.

I'll kick off with a YES. Doc can probably save tonight so we're very likely to fet a further scan.

Cop Survey

YES 1
NO 0

14 votes outstanding

Why on earth would the cop claim right now when we have a myriad of stuff to dig into (Bona vs Bunny, and HB being weird as fuck).

I'm just frustrated with the HB situation tbh. Obviously the cop will do whatever they want anyway.

BvB is TvT imo

[BunnyGo]

In this scenario, why would brainbomb fake claim cop?

Have you played this game with Brainbomb before?

I know brainbomb used to fake claim a lot as town, but I think he usually had a reason when he was scum.

He was the godfather...fake claim, retract. Get Bona deaded (either goon or town), and when scanned by cop who wonders what's up, gets a clean. We all think "oh brainbomb...you did it again!"

[aarodactyl]

Unless the cop has beem remarably unlucky or incompetent they must have some decent info to share.

Bozotype survey - Is it time for the cop to hardclaim and reveal? YES or NO.

I'll kick off with a YES. Doc can probably save tonight so we're very likely to fet a further scan.

Cop Survey

YES 1
NO 0

14 votes outstanding

Why on earth would the cop claim right now when we have a myriad of stuff to dig into (Bona vs Bunny, and HB being weird as fuck).

On the other hand, the cop info + all the current stuff to dig in to might be enough to solve a lot of the game. That's why I voted for Yes. However, that being said, last game was my first forum game and we didn't really have a cop (and our closest equivalent revealed by this point).

I'll put you down for a No though

[Fluminator]

No the cop shouldn't claim. Are you on crack PE?

[Bonatogether]

bunny is drunk and we should ignore them

[Hellenic Riot]

@Hamilton Brian

You seem to be implying that I'm scum for calling you out as the cop. Please give a detailed explanation for what on earth my scum motivation for such a move would be.

And then hardclaim. There is absolutely no benefit to not doing here. If you're not the cop you should have been jumping at the chance to give reports and eat the bullet last night, and you failed. If you are going to claim cop then I'd love to hear the faintest explanation whatsoever for why you didn't out your reports despite the fact that the person who called you out as being the cop is apparently someone you think is scum.

[President Eden]

This Bunny vs Bona bit is so... what's that word Flum?... that I am having trouble sorting it out. I feel like I'm watching a wrestling bout.

[Chaqa]

Unless the cop has beem remarably unlucky or incompetent they must have some decent info to share.

Bozotype survey - Is it time for the cop to hardclaim and reveal? YES or NO.

I'll kick off with a YES. Doc can probably save tonight so we're very likely to fet a further scan.

Cop Survey

YES 1
NO 0

14 votes outstanding

Only if it's HB.

[BunnyGo]

No the cop shouldn't claim. Are you on crack PE?

Anyone voting YES and believing it isn't helping town run through the end. We don't need 2 townclears. We need scum caught. Get the data. Find them all.

[bozotheclown]

Yes. To clarify, that list is "bozotheclown, celaph, Hamilton Brian, worcej". I think the chance that all three scum are in this list is very small. However, it's also the list of people that haven't made a strong case of HB (as far as I can tell. and yes, I include HB in that list)

If Hamilton is scum, which is looking likely, his teammates are probably already voting for him.

Why do you think (both of these things)?

Hamilton tried to unvote 2 minutes before D2 EOD, which would have tied the vote, so wanting to vote for brainbomb for whatever reason he did was not the reason he removed his vote from ghug.

If Hamilton is scum, I think the remaining mafia would not want to miss the opportunity to bus him.